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Recieved: 2000/06/02 14:57
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bliss this and blissed that, and then some!
From: Paul Perner

Wim Borsboom wrote:

> Dear H.
>
> You wrote:
> > For totally risen K or realisation in the Heart Centre, beyond the
> > sahasrara, there is no bliss at all. No experience, only becoming
> > transcendental god. . H.
>
> With all due respect, talking about a transcendental god is the wrong
> philosophy, actually no philosophy at all. That type of god description is
> totally conceptual, only exists in some kind of mental construct,

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> Or do you mean something else with the word *becoming*. Also if
> there is no experience there is nothing to communicate about, is there? So
> the statement * no experience* is devoid of any meaning. If there is no
> experience then there is nothing... not even god. Also if K has risen beyond
> the Sahasrar, if the Sahasrar has opened fully, whatever is *below and above
> it* (let me just foolishly use those words because they are so incorrect) is
> included, then there is an absolute wholeness of realization, no
> transcendence at all. Realization includes all experience, even the most
> menial.

Thank you Wim,
 I've always thought that non existence, the "great nothingness" I call it, can
be used as a new age cop out. It's that white washing I often complain about.
It's as bad as saying, "It's all relative." Page one, lesson one in the
handbook, "The Lazy Man's Way to Becoming a Teacher or Guru."
 Like I said earlier, I've traded in my white robe.
 Now I'm a shameless experience junkie.
 I humbly held out my empty rice bowl and Goddess tossed in two tickets to the
circus.
 I'm going to use them.
 I'm going to do the work I have to do, but along the way I'm going to smell
every rose in the garden. I'm well into the second half of my life and it's
taken me years to finally feel at home in the world... this world of so many
wonderful things ... art, music, nature, invention, love... the list goes on.
Things got really good when I realized that there's also, shape, sound and color
in matters of the spirit.
 Put simply: I experience, therefor I am.

Lottsa Love

Paul

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