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Recieved: 2000/06/02 14:47
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bliss poll
From: Druout
On 2000/06/02 14:47, Druout posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 6/1/00 11:13:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Wim writes:
<< Yes, and as you noticed in my previous posts, I keep referring to an even
more intense state of bliss... Glory... When all the angels (-: The stuff of
the universe!!! What else can I say :-) sing in and through me. When the
reality of the divine self is recovered and when this divine realization is
constant and irreversible. >>
Dear List,
Glory!!?? Well it looks as though I have something to look forward to! :)))
It's interesting that once I experience these states they are immediately
recognizable. If they are recognizable is it because we have experienced
them all before? And if we have experienced them all before does it mean we
have always been there? The varieties of pleasure does seem infinite and
beyond what we can imagine.
Before K, I had felt Joy on occasion, Elation fairly frequently, and
Happiness and pleasure often. I don't remember ever experiencing ecstasy or
bliss, although I did write during the first weeks of my K experience that I
had not felt anything so powerful since LSD. (The main thing that I came
away with from those few psychedelic experiences was that, to believe or not
to believe in God, was incredibly presumptuous, that existence is vastly
beyond anything we can conceive.)
Joy after K: Not to be confused with happiness. Melting from it. Weeping
with the wonder of it all. Overwhelmed.
Ecstasy: As Kaura described it, spiritual or cosmic orgasm. I still wake up
sometimes several times nightly with these brain/body ("OH MY GOD")
explosions. Sometimes I wake just before they hit, sometimes I wake up
during or after.
Bliss: First experience was on the first Christmas night. Quieter, less
explosive but more profound. Unlike El who says for her "Bliss and pain don't
seem to go together," I find it often combined(?) with an exquisite ache or
pain. These states, both bliss and ecstasy, are accompanied with paralysis
and usually heat, breath changes, tongue cleaving to the palette and an
overwhelming need to stretch the spine backwards and the forwards.
Rapture: Experienced only once or twice. A state of blissful ("Sweet
Jesus!") suspension.
It's interesting that Sherry feels these in somewhat different order: "
Feeling Bliss that accellerates to Ecstasy which accellerates to Rapture and
Pure Joy. "
On a more mundane note, I was recently driving up the California coast. Bach
was playing on the radio and the sun was shining. It was so beautiful I
couldn't contain the tears of joy.
I agree with El that "There was always a mystical, psychic, paranormal aspect
to the bliss episodes." I feel this with all 4 that I have experienced. It
is *Not* simply pleasure.
By the way, (this is for Tony's benefit LOL) I certainly don't consider
myself enlightened except in the sense everybody already is. I, too,
continue to ask Why me!
Love, Hillary
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