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Recieved: 2000/06/01 23:48
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bliss this and blissed that, and then some!
From: Wim Borsboom

Dear H.

You wrote:
> For totally risen K or realisation in the Heart Centre, beyond the
> sahasrara, there is no bliss at all. No experience, only becoming
> transcendental god. . H.

With all due respect, talking about a transcendental god is the wrong
philosophy, actually no philosophy at all. That type of god description is
totally conceptual, only exists in some kind of mental construct, is not
based on any realization at all, cannot be. To state something like
*becoming transcendental god * shows a clarity that is only in the early
stages of development. "becoming ... god"??? How could that be possible if
god is eternal to say the least. If you must theorize then please do it
correctly. Or do you mean something else with the word *becoming*. Also if
there is no experience there is nothing to communicate about, is there? So
the statement * no experience* is devoid of any meaning. If there is no
experience then there is nothing... not even god. Also if K has risen beyond
the Sahasrar, if the Sahasrar has opened fully, whatever is *below and above
it* (let me just foolishly use those words because they are so incorrect) is
included, then there is an absolute wholeness of realization, no
transcendence at all. Realization includes all experience, even the most
menial.

I have a feeling that you may want to *surrender to bliss*, before you
venture into 'the blue yonder'. You might be a little afraid of that. Or
someone who you know is denigrating the bliss that you have as not being of
some kind of good quality or the right characteristics... Do you follow a
judgemental doctrine perhaps?

Love,
Wim

To see some of my files you might be interested in:
http://www.onelist.com/files/Kundalini-Gateway/Wims/

> Bliss is the Deva, which is god in creation.
>
> Energy at that level is bliss eternal, to realise that is to become
> it.
>
> Bliss in so called lesser functions is present in the nerves, the
> psychic nadis, and cakras, which are in the main in the energy body.
>
> The movement of energy for sex can be bliss.
>
> All these add up to bliss being a door to eternity at the right level
> so to speak.

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