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Recieved: 2000/06/01 11:37
Subject: Re: [K-list] Whatever...
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/06/01 11:37, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 10:51 PM 5/30/00 +0800, Augustin Masquilier wrote:
>Augustin:>I don't mean to be disrespectful after all you've done to me....
>Angelique:> LOL!! I'm not offended. Isn't it wonderful to have wildlife
>in such abundance? There is a 1000 acre park that is mostly forest, right
on the
>edge of downtown. Coyotes and skunks, and racoons wander into the city at
>night, to snack on garbage and ..uh.. cats, rats, whatever. (...)
>
>"Whatever"?
>
>Angelique, it is the second time you use that word with me (and I have not
>noticed you using it in other posts)... and I don't like it more the second
>time around than the first... ;)
It was a joke, Augustin. A joke and a poke. You were not supposed to
like it, anymore than you expected me to like your negative comments about
Vancouver.
You *said* did not want to offend me with your comment.. but if you were
afraid of offending me, then why did you make the comment at all? It was an
off-topic comment, from the rest of the post, and for the list, itself.
Why did you make it? You dunno..
To me it was a loud and clear message from your unconscious about your
present emotional state and needs, in relation to me and the work we did.
It really had nothing to do with where I live, it had everything to do with
your present emotional state and internal struggles.
You are right, that there was a lot more information coded into my
response than the words expressed.. there was a conversation happening
between me and your unconscious that your ego did not hear. I can try to
explain the conversation, but you might not like it, much.. :)
The polarity your unconscious expressed in your apology for seeming
disrespectful, was that you really did want to be a bit disrespectful
because that attitude worked against the feelings of adoration and
dependence that you were uncomfortable with. You were feeling dependent
and wanted to take some of your power back.. . you wanted to cut me down to
size, a bit... get a negative reaction to make me seem more human to you...
more human, less Goddess.
This is a common reaction I get, from Dom personalities after an
experience of surrender-submission. They rebel and seek to manipulate me
into a negative emotional state to feel powerful again, and soothe their
internal feelings of insecurity and discomfort.
Power chakra stuff.. why your Dad was so angry... why you are so angry.
Being angry and being able to get a negative reaction from his children
made him feel powerful, when he felt overwhelmed and weak. It fed his power
chakra control issues, but in a negative way.
Needs are needs, those that are not met positively (empowering the
chakra with gratitude) get met negatively. (empowering the power chakra by
manipulating others and stealing their energy.) This dynamic is well
described in the "Celestine Prophecies".
Control strategies: how people who are not being fed from within, try
to meet their energy needs by feeding on other people's energy via
manipulative power games. Control strategies are my particular point of
expertiese. :)
Men have a need to feel powerful, that is connected to fundamental
insecurity created by the Patriarchal edict of "Dominion of Nature", an
impossible task.
In Dune, Frank Herbert observes, "The person who is in control of a
thing, is the person who has the power to destroy it". Typical Patriarchal
attitudes of Domiion of nature that have created environmental destruction.
Your Father's anger was created by his feelings of impotence, because
things in his life didn't turn out like he wanted.. he was not grateful
for how things turned out, so he turned angry and used his power to
destroy, instead. Same as your anger at your wife for not being as
sexually available as you would like. When you are not feeling in control,
you get angry so you can feel powerful by upsetting people.
You wanted to upset me, but I was not willing to be manipulated into
annoyance by you.. so I gave you a "fil in the blanks" word, "whatever",
that you could interpret as you liked. You chose to fixate on it, as a
point of annoyance.
I didn't mind your poke about Vancouver, because I recognised the
patterns and I appreciate your independence. I told you, I have enough
slaves, and you are not submissive enough for my tastes. I used slavery as
a teaching tool, it was functional as a lesson in surrendering to your
inner Divinity, but it was really more for your benefit, than about my needs.
I don't need to manipulate other people to get energy, Goddess feeds me
well enough. I use my talents for healing, negotiating surrender between
Kundalites and Goddess... as I was doing with you.
I surrendered to your need to diminish me, in that I expressed it from
the animals perspective... which to me, is not diminishment, animals are
nature are Goddess.. I reflected your judgments about human superiority
and the destructive power of nature back to you. A different direction than
you expected. Less human, more animal. It frustrated you and brought up
even more of the internal surrender issues that were underlying your
comment...
Lower chakra issues, are about our relation to nature. People often
think of sexuality as a base, "animal" aspect of consciousness and wanting
to be "better" than animals, (Patriarchal="Dominion of nature") they
repress their sexuality and try to control it, and their sexual encounters.
Goddess is Nature. Animals don't have an ego to be separate, as humans
do... and they don't get guilt issues about sex. When it is time for a stag
to have sex, it does, and the rest of the year it's not an issue. Animals
don't have the same sex--love-fear-guilt-power-acceptance issues around sex
that people spend so much energy worrying about.
Joke: why do dogs lick themselves? Answer.. because they can!!
The joke is funny because it is about human guilt-desire masturbation
issues that dogs don't have... and because people like to think of
themselves as superior to animals.
Your comment about Vancouver wildlife was an expression of your
discomfort with your dependence on me, and your issues about control.. also
about your mistrust of Goddess... and of Nature, projected onto me, because
I was being Goddess for you.
A coyote will eat cats, rats.. whatever. It does not care if they are
pets, to it they are food. "Whatever" includes raccoons and skunks raiding
people's vegetable gardens.. and Goddess does not judge that. People do,
when they sit in judgment of nature... which is judging Goddess.
You were seeking a particular emotional reaction from me, and I chose
not to be manipulated and give my power away by being offended, but
"whatever" gave your unconscious some room to fill in the blanks with
whatever emotional reaction you were wanting, to regain the power you felt
was lost.
You did not focus on what was said, so much as you focused on what was
not said.. what was implied by the blank of "whatever". "Whatever" offended
you because anger was what you wanted, to feel powerful, and the other
words did not give you that.
It let you cut me down to size in your own mind by how you chose to
fill in the blank. You chose to be offended yourself, after failing to
offend me... because that created the emotional distance you were seeking.
The power of anger.
>"Whatever" here includes:
>-cats as you said, i.e. people's beloved pets. People, I heard, are told not
>to let their pets go outside.
>-dogs: a city official commented that if one sees a coyotte playing with
>one's dog, they are not playing but the coyote is trying to eat the dog.
These are human judgments and fears. Coyotes are very playful
tricksters, they do play with dogs, if they are not hungry, and they eat
them, if they are. Humans make the cat on the hearth more important than
the coyote howling at the gate, but Goddess doesn't judge. It is in the
nature of cats and coyotes to be predators, and nobody comments on how cats
are incredibly destructive to native bird populations. Cats are no longer
allowed on the Galapagos islands at all, because of the damage they were
doing to the ecosystem.
>-children: their has been cases of little girls and boys attacked and bitten
>by coyottes. (I am aware of one case in Australia where a ferral dog
>actually "kidnapped" a human baby and ate it)
coyotes attacking children.. no, it doesn't happen. A cornered rat will
attack, or a rabid coyote, but a normal coyote wouldn't attack a child any
more than it would attack a bear cub. It knows Mamma bear would kill it
before it could enjoy the meal.
I have heard of that case in Australia, and authorities didn't believe
the Mother's story because dingos don't attack humans any more than wolves
do. The Mother was charged with murder, and it was quite a sensational case.
This is little -red-riding hood fear of nature stories. Formless,
archetypal fears of nature's power. The form that it is taking, is your
issues with me/Goddess .. it fixated in wildlife in Vancouver, becuse you
thought to poke my vnity.. but the root of your comments is all about your
present stage of growth and your internal issues.
>Yet, I agree that wild life is nice and human more than coyottes are to be
>blamed about the conflict between the two. Humans have taken all the
>available land and pushing wildlife into unhospitable corners of the earth
>where they go extinct.
Yes they have... so why did you make that comment about wildlife
fighting back, and why did you expect me to be offended by it?
>I am just curious about the word "whatever".... :)
>
Whatever.. :)
>
>
>Respectfully yours,
>
>Augustin
Blessings..
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