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Recieved: 2000/05/22 10:57
Subject: Re: [K-list] Ego
From: Ben Holland
On 2000/05/22 10:57, Ben Holland posted thus to the K-list:
> >God/dess didn't put me on this planet to be a little baby forever . .
True, but babies are born with all the spiritual knowledge that they
need.
This knowledge can be forgotten. Ego helps one to forget this very much.
>> This is the world in which I live.
Material things change. They are transitory and never stay the same.
>> Clean of what????? I live in the world. I am an expression of
God/dess.
Clean" or "dirty" are constructs of the mind.
May I ask how your mind constructs these things?
> > Not all of us have an ego. This is important to remember.
> Prove it.
Go find a tribe somewhere that is at peace with itself. Find a tribe
that
has roots in itself and a little history of itself and how it found
peace.
There is a government agenda to kill all such tribes like this.
>> Sin is a value judgement of the mind created to encourage social
conformity,
which is not a "bad" thing either.
Sin can be beaten into you by many means. Army's beat sin into their
soldiers.
Teachers beat sin into their students. One has a choice wheither to give
in or
not. It depends on how much pain one can take. How in times of high fear
of
life one will loose oneself to save oneself. Remember the scene is
saving private
ryan where the Nazi is digging his own grave - Fuck Hitler! Fuck Hitler!
How many have been swayed from the eyes of God with the threat of a blow
from
a hammer. What where the crusades?
>> Most of Vietnamese did not develop it before the Vietnam war.
I offer that this is pure bullshit. You are looking at them with
your
perception of what constitutes "sin."
One has to understand what religeon the Vietnamese where and how
they
lived before the war. One must also understand what the war was
about
and why the war was fought. One must also understand the origin of
Vietnamese
people and how they live their lives. One must understand that
Vietnam before the
war contained tribes of people like the ones I have mentioned above.
One must
also understand that they had nothing and where glad to be who they
were. Most
where devoid of ego and learned quickly what impurities where before
they came
in contact with impurities.
During the war a small village was captured. The american platoon at
the time
where given strict orders to innoculate all the children from
'deaseases' that they
never had. They innoculated them. The next day the Platton discoverd
that all
the childrens arms had been hacked off by the parents of the
children.
This was their commitment to their cause. They did not want any
Western influence
because they knew what 'influence' means.
If you kill ego you have triumphed over it.
>>If I pluck out my eye, have I triumped over it?
No, you have lost an eye. You can never get it back. You can kill
ego and still
retain it. There are dynamics involved that have to be understood to
appreciate this.
> > Forgive me if I say this again, I know from experience that many here
will
> not like it, but the chakras are psychological. . . .snip . . . .If you
can
> discover what they are and clean them and unlock them, the understanding
of
> what I have written above will be clear to you.
>
> Gee whiz! A puzzle for my little mind to cipher! What a relief! I
wouldn't
> have had a clue what to do with myself or think for myself later today.
you orientation is not correct for using what I have spent a little time
giving
to you out of kindness.
> >I hope no errors of reason or spelling here.
> Didn't spell check it for you, nor set up a flow chart to follow it.
> Basically, you're saying that Ego needs to be gotten rid of because you
> postulate we are born with out it, and if we could live a sequestered life
> away from anyone's concept of "sin," then . ... . then what?
> I was born not having sex. Should I give that up too?
> I was born not eating solid food, I guess that has to go too.
> I couldn't type til high school . . . ..,s,dzblf;jf.ae/m,/e?A
> To what end?????
> Melissa
This was not the point of the post. Better luck next time.
All the best and thank you for your responce
Ben
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