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Recieved: 2000/05/17 14:04
Subject: Re: live it or read about it was Re: [K-list] nadis
From: Ben Holland
On 2000/05/17 14:04, Ben Holland posted thus to the K-list:
The collapse thing is not mathmatical. It is just a normal way of thinking
about how to become nothing, Susan. But nothing has places. True places
Susan.
This is lent so, Susan, because everything came from nothing.
Watch the way this runs Susan,
nothing/everything.
Now look at what constitues everything. What are the basics of everything?
- Phase states of matter. = Solid/liquid/Gas/Fire (interactive)
Where do you find all the phase states of matter as one and what does this
give rise to Susan?
Go on....have a go. No one looses. They can't.
All the best
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Holland <b.hollandATnospamworldonline.cz>
To: <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>; <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: live it or read about it was Re: [K-list] nadis
> Presumption is massive issue here isn't it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
> To: <b.hollandATnospamworldonline.cz>; <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>;
> <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:33 PM
> Subject: live it or read about it was Re: [K-list] nadis
>
>
> > Dear Ben,
> >
> > > Susan writes: There are few things in there that I can nod my head to
> > >but I am surprised why you have such a separatist stance regarding
> > >body/mind/spirit. It is, for me a self-limiting belief system; makes
> > >the world real small.
> > >
> > >
> > >Susan, the above statement is Extremly important. It has enough
> information
> > >in it to completly change a whole orientation on what I have been
saying.
> > >
> > >For a moment read what has been said above by you.
> >
> > I dont' have to read it, I am it. It's my experience of reality. How do
> you
> > experience reality on a day to day basis? Quoting from books doesnt cut
> it.
> > You must learn to speak from your heart.
> >
> > >
> > >Remember what I have said with regards to collapse.
> >
> > Like I said, I am dyslexic. I have a hard time comprehending simple
> > mathematical problems. Keep asking me to understand things thru
> mathematical
> > models is cruel.
> > >
> > >Then re-read some of my mail.
> >
> > Why? It is hard for me to wade thru it initially. I feel like I am
> slogging
> > thru mud.If you speak to me from your heart I will feel it and
understand.
> >
> > Maybe you and I are speaking of the same thing. But I have experiential
> > knowledge, you have book knowledge. Dan Winter is easily able to
translate
> > my experiential, shamanistic knowledge down to mathematical formula. He
> > understands his end and I understand my end. He doesnt have an
> experiential
> > knowledge of what I can do and cant do it himself and I don't have to
> > understand how something works to be an adept.
> >
> > >
> > >I love this.
> >
> > What do you love? I dunno, would you rather stand on book knowledge
alone
> > and profess to know it all or be friends with people who know how and do
> > surf the event horizon?
> >
> > Susan
> >
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