To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/05/17 10:06
Subject: Re: [K-list] Get Real (was nadis)
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/05/17 10:06, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Ben,
Everything you wrote is known already and most of it will and has gotten
ppl. into states of mental sickness! Why? Because it is only a *mental PART*
of what is to know and of ALL THAT IS.
By the way, originally the word 'knowledge' used to only have physical
connotations not mental at all. We still, in English, have a leftover of
that meaning as in 'carnal knowledge'. The old biblical literature
originally saw 'knowledge' only in terms of sexual knowing, intercourse that
led to 'conception'. Conception, again a word that originally meant only
something physical, something real. Exclusive mental knowledge and mental
conceptions are signs of the mind-body split and are symptomatic of a
pathology that leads to dualism... You may be close to that... Luckily you
are discovering it, as your discussions attest, but you are not totally
aware that you are already caught by it, as so many of humanity already are.
I'm very sorry to say that, and it fills me with immense sadness to see so
much sorrow. (At one point, I decided to stay around on this good earth (-:
Bodhisattva stuff :-) and help to alleviate that sorry state.)
Everything you wrote in your post is known by you already... there are a few
things I wrote that you know not yet OR are preventing yourself from
recovering... Are you ready for surrender to reality..., ready for the
simplest of things... unconditional existence as lived in a life of
unconditional love?
It is the simplest but the easiest to lose, it is the simplest but hardest
to recover...
Do you want to know what reality IS, what IS IS?
It is probably best to answer back when... you want to recover reality.
Love,
Wim
PS.
You wrote:
> Now that we have discussed what reality is, it is time to
> move onto to something else.
*WE* HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IT AT ALL because you did NOT let us or me be part
of that discussion...
> You are absolutly correct.
> Does this *class* use contexts to discribe the 'manas'
This is not a class, nor do we need lectures (I used to actually be pretty
good at lecturing, am trying to give that up :-) Am probably not too
succesful at it though.
> The material at the heart of Kundalini yogic studies is
> "to be Liberated."
This list and the members of this list are not studying Kundalini yoga, most
of them are in the thralls of the experience of Kundalini's process. They
are being liberated through that process. RE-liberated in fact. You do not
have to tell these ppl. what K. is and especially not how they should THINK.
That is exactly what ppl. on this list are actually recovering from...
> I am not enlightened by the way Wim. I should tell everyone this
> actually. I am not enlightened.
That statement is a ploy of your mind. You DID go through an awakening and
you ARE seeing with some of the clarity that enlightenment graces you with.
Do not deny it..., now go on and get into the realization of life... The
mind is actually scared shitless of that... and comes up with a myriad of
ploys... How do I know...? I have fought them all..., well...., at least
that is what I hope :-) ;-).
You don't know how much you are throwing yourself for a loop as you are
discussing the dangers of that loop.... Oh that mind... :-)
> ....PARADIGM. Which Wim, is a eleven dimensional schematic.
And do I ever know that and live it... even physically... as in 'physical'
and 'physics'. Can tell you some stories. Actually I named that scheme of
things 'multi-dimensional' and later 'supra-dimensional' as I lost count. I
know where your number 11 comes from, had to revise it because it did not
compute...
> Thus we have failed yet again to realise the TRUTH.
'Realising' is a 'thing discovering' procedure. The words 'reality and
realizing' stem from the Latin word RES, 'thing'.
Have fun not mentalizing...
Love again,
Wim
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