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Subject: Re: [K-list] nadis
From: Ben Holland
On 2000/05/17 02:44, Ben Holland posted thus to the K-list:
Hi
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From: Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
To: Ben Holland <b.hollandATnospamworldonline.cz>; <Kundalini-GatewayATnospamegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] nadis
I hope you understand that 'discrimination' is of prime important in the
processes of
understanding/mediating and practicing Tantric/Sanskrit knowledge.
Lacking 'discrimination' is not a good thing. This is a fundamental
teaching of Tantric
and Sanskrit practioners.
'Is' and 'not' are things to be avoided in beginning contemplation fo
life. But after
some form of understanding who God is comes about, the it is important
to know
what is and what is not. Look - I wrote this awhile ago.
Please forgive bad spellings and grammer..hehehehe
Exercise one: Learning what splits consciouness
Have a look at your mind. Watch your mind. Do this by
relaxing it and removing all forms of thought. Let is relax.
Do not think of anything but these words. Forget about the
past. Forget about the future. Do not think about any good.
Do not think about anything bad. You are in a space or
dimension where there is nothing to judge. Let it be like this
for a few moments.
Now think of something. Think of anything. Now pay
attention to it and really think about it. Notice it. Pay
attention to it's detail. You should have made a judgement
of it by now subconsciously. In otherwords you may have
liked it or you not have liked it. You may have been able to
improve it in your mind. You may have interacted with it or
did something to it. It may have done something to you.
You have decided on something about that object. This is
where delusion starts. It is either alluring or not alluring. If
it was neither then you may have been curious. Some things
we would like but can not have. Some things we do not want
but can not keep away from. Some things are even addictive.
It may seem then that suffering is caused by wanting or not
wanting something. Much like a bill that comes in the door.
We want the product but we do not want the bill. We may
think at first that the product causes the problem or maybe
the problem is the way that the product is deliverd to us at a
cost. Actually that is not the problem. The problem is the
emotion of judgement of the object of intrest.
If one can control this then one is on a path to discovering
that one can have a happier lifestyle with less sorrow. One
can try ones best to change the way the percieve things, thus
changing the way they experience what is around them and
what they interact with.
This is what is called Karma. It is a motion that moves
between either wanting or not wanting. Between liking and
not liking. We are all emotionally attached to things this
way. This is called Oscillation. When one does not oscillate
anymore one has found a balance or a centre zone. It is
possible to find this centre zone by balancing the thought. If
something bad happens to you like you get a big phonebill
in the door, you can say - Damn a huge phone billl. Now I
have no more money left or I can not pay the phone bill. To
balance this out one might say - but at least I made the
phonecalls which where very important to me. Or one might
say - I am glad that the bill is so high because now I will
know how much time I should spend on it the next time.
Some people run important businesses and would read this
and think. This guy is a fool. If I want something I fight for it
because if I don't get it then someone else will and I will
lose out. Let us take a very large software company for
instance. The large software company has a goal of selling
it's product to all computer users. It achieves this goal at a
cost. The cost was hard work, late nights and not getting to
enjoy life. Now the person is very rich and can live in big
house with a big pool in a sunny country and buy whatever
they want to buy.
The problem with this is that these things are material. They
are transitory. They do not last forever. They are Karmic.
For as we remember Karma Oscillates. Things change. The
goal of every person should be to learn 'Transendece over
the Transitory' which is what this book hopes to teach. To
land on the moon is fine and adds knowledge to the
databanks of man. But this is a transitory event and will not
last forever. Mathmatics keeps improving (moving) and so
does science. Again these things are Transitory. We always
seek to fulfill our desires. Seeking desire will have sorrow
attached, for the two are Karmic and go hand in hand. We
live in a word of seamless duality. Ying/yang; up/down;
male/femal; nothing/something; void;everything. What is in
between?
**********
This is just a short lesson in trying to understand what
emotions are and how they may control our views on things.
At the same time one must not think that we should look at
something like the genecide of the Jews in World War 2 as
maybe being a good thing. That maybe there was some
goodness attached. Why not, having just said what I have
said above?
The answer lies in *****discrimination.****** One should be
able to tell
the difference between two things. Understanding the
difference and emotionally felling the differences are two
different things. So how do we know if we have understood
something properly? How do we know if we have really
truly made a correct judgement on something? This is the
whole reason for attaining enlightment or reaching the goal.
We can not judge properly all the time nor can we
understand properly all the time unless we can reach the goal
and achieve emancipation from sorrow or misunderstanding.
Once this is achieved then the human being that achieved it
is able to fix himself in an orientation that is akin to that of
optimal wisdom or optimal understanding. Bearing this in
mind we may now move on the the next exercise. The next
exercise is another psychological exercise as is much the
same as the exercise above except that it makes clear as to
how one can achieve enlightenment or emancipation. Before
I go into this I would like to explain that it does not take very
long to understand what I am about to say next, but it may
take a lifetime for someone to actually assimilate it. To
acclimatise oneself to it fully and without doubt.
***************
Exercise Two: Learning Transcendence over the Transitory
or How to bridge the gap between you and the void.
Remembering your history, intellectually and emotionally,
while breathing is a loop. Thinking about the future while
breathing is a loop. Looping prevents feeling all ones
feelings all the time.
Looping prevents remembering who you really are. You are
made up of the same stuff that everything else is made from.
In the cosmos the same stuff is everywhere. Solid, liquids,
gases and fire (interactive). Try to find these four things
fuctioning as one. The human body has these four things
functioning as one. If these four things function as one then
a fifth thing will be present. This fifth thing is called mind.
The planet is a Biosphere. It has these four things as one.
Thus it has mind. Is the Earth not alive then? Is the solar
system not one big biological unit? You are conscious and
so is the planet that you walk on.
The material at the heart of Kundalini yogic studies is "to be
Liberated." , which is the freedom from loops, Karma (and
other things). Forgetting is another type of loop. What is
experinece?. Experience is seeing and feeling a difference.
How can one experience good if one does not know what
bad is. The dual aspect takes place so that experiance
of one or the other may be had.
This means to feel good one must know what bad is. We live
in a world of seamless duality. But it is the duality
that causes seporation from the void.
Duality is a loop. You, I, This is subjectiveness. We are
seporated from nothing because we see the duality of
everything. We even see duality within duality. It therefore
possible to reverse the structure. To correctly collapse the
sturcture so to speak. When fully collapsed the structure
should be none. If it is none it is still one, but we must reach
the none first in order to understand the one. If everything
came from the none, the void, then the void is in everything.
To realise that all things are one in the none, one must
examine why things seem more than one. When this is done
correctly and the collapse takes place all worlds, objects,
things are sensed correctly as one and unity takes place.
This is the hole in the ice, which is the gap to be breached to
the nothing, the void. This is where we become one with all
that is.
We seporate the noumenal from the phenoumenal. We do
this to stop the psychic floodgates from opening up around
us. The objective of the tournament, of the game, of
complete understanding is to bring them back into
CATHEXIS.
We walk down the street. We see people. We see trees. We
see things. These things seem real, because we are real. We
exist and we can see these things that exist. Yet when we
understand these things a bit better we 'see' mind. We know
this because without perception in mind these things to us
do not exist.
We first see, our mind everywhere. Then we see, other
people's minds everywhere. We see this because of
DISTANCE. Distance is subjectiveness. Distance is the
differnece between you and this. You and object. Which
really are one. If we still see distance and feel distance then
again we have just subjectified everything. We have made
the distinguish between you and this. Thus we have
percieved distance. Thus we percieve time. Time is
movement between the distances. We think this because our
mind is still thinking in terms of distance. Thus our
minds are still thinking in terms of I and This. Thus we have
failed yet again to realise the TRUTH.
EGO creates this distance. It is the seporation of me from
the object. But the distance can be reduced. All that is
subjectified must collapsed into one point. If it is then there
is no distance. No distance means No time. If there is No
Distance or time then there is no space. If there is no space
then their is a void. If there is a void then I am about to
experiance something that I can not express in words for it
does not resemble anything in this world that I have ever
seen before. It is God. It is the primordial state of isness. It
is that which shifts the threads of consciousness. It is total
and absolute reality!! This is liberation.. This is where to go.
So as we can see from this their is a way to go back the way
we came. Also it must be noted that the void does not mean
that there is total nothingness. It actually has places. It is a
utopia of the highest order. If you have read genesis in the
bible you will see that it talks about the above process over
the course of seven days. It is all about something from
nothing. When we die our body naturally collapses from
something into nothing. I will explain this later on in more
detail.
Now that we have discussed what reality is, it is time to
move onto to something else.
((((((((((((())))))))))))))
"This is not that" or "Only this is the right
> description." Experience is what it IS about... not some
> word-splitting exercise. Sanskrit, or do we
> know enough of the original language used to describe, do we know enough
of
> the original culture, do we know what those people FELT when they
described
> what for example Nadis are, etc?
The thing is that the english language does have the words
to explain the original oral/written understandings. The problem is
how these things are now mistaken for other things in life. The
problem is with how we have grounded most things as being
MATERIAL. Science did this. But science in the beginning was
the quest for God, and will be again some day.
> > You are using the word 'mind' a lot. The word 'manas' in its original
> Sanskrit did not mean the same as the word 'mind' means now, in our
current
> time in western countries. > >
You are absolutly correct. Does this class use contexts to discribe the
'manas'
or does it words? Also if this is the case then my next posts will
actually
be devoid of words like 'SOUL'/'MIND'/'SPIRIT'...ect.
I will use pure meaning in future and this will prevent what seems to
appear
to be me bashing diction, but is in fact the easiest way for most people
to grasp
what my posts are saying.
I stand by this point so firmly you would not believe.
> > Because if I failed to point out at every possible turn that these are
not
> > psychological things then the process of awakening, enlightenment
> > can not be achieved. Ben, there is no doubt about it that you went
through
some major awakening, enlightenment even...
I am not enlightened by the way Wim. I should tell everyone this
actually.
I am not enlightened. The only thing that happened to me was that I was
able to control my own thought processes, with the creator, to such an
extent
that every day I was able to have 20 + instances of coincidences. Then I
just
took control. Now I practice command over the PARADIGM. Which Wim,
is a eleven dimensional schematic.
All the best
Ben
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