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Recieved: 2000/05/13 15:09
Subject: Re: [K-list] Ego
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/05/13 15:09, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Dan
You wrote:
> prediction:
> any definition of ego in non-electrical terms will not be profound
>
> what keeps a field self re-entrant?
>
> how well can you re-fer(cur) to yourself...?
>
> (I like koan's...
Fantastic, also this must be one of your shortest posts!!! :-)
My son and I had quite an intense discussion about self referral and
recursion last week. He thought it may also have something to do with rolled
up or enfolded dimensions and "time running in - or turning in on itself! "
The dot in the yin as well as in the yang.
It may be a representation of your koan:
***the yin/yang symbol... a pictorial koan***
I have at some point in the past written that there is only one particle...
not one kind ... but... just one... and only one.... of course at that point
it cannot be called particle, so I called it ARTICLE.
There is only one article,
UNITY
Ledermann called it the god particle.
I also at one point wrote about the first moment, which really is the ONLY
MOMENT, maybe a NOMENT.
My experience of the divine self referral, recurrence... is described in one
of my previous posts.
I will copy it below... hope it makes sense to some folks.
Dan, !!!...I know you are on the right track....!!!
Richard Feynman must have known something about your prediction:
> any definition of ego in non-electrical terms will not be profound.
He is dead now, maybe I can look him up... should be a fun meeting.
Love,
Wim
Copy of previous post about the first moment.
....................................................
This, a current memory of some realizing experience, some 5 years ago.
Am diving deeper (coming with me?) into the PRESENT/PRESENCE.
And you are loosening, yes, dissolving individual control gradually into it.
You can afford it..., nothing to lose no more..., no fear no more..., no
way!
You trust this momentous timelessness so confidently now..., ..., ....!
You..., at one point now..., being aware of ...'being'... and....
'not-being-even-not'.... simultaneously...
A primordial border-line-ness shaping up...and dis-appearing
A PRIMAL NOW, an unhistorical happening incessantly.
How to find more words and which ones?
But there is an image..., you recall..., you want to recover it...
Imaginatively, you remember yourself being a coin...
A one-sided coin however... are you still with me?
---One side intensively feeling "here now" and... you are voicing it...,
... somehow..., you are vibrating IT WITHIN...,
And you have nothing to vibrate IT IN... (anahata maybe?)
The WORD maybe? Yes IT IS.. the word, IS..., IS..., IS...,
THE WORD..., ahhh, primal sound... ohhh.
This is so lovely, so hammmmmm, yes, y-e-s, YESSS!
---The other side of the coin, the (n)one not-even-not-there...
Not even imaginable, not even wanting... nor wanted...
Oh, the freedom and impossibility of being..., the unneededness.
And you are flipping yourself into a void...
THE void, not even there before you flipped yourself :-), :-), :-).
You get it, you've got it !!! The flipping forms the void as you flip your
being
And you chuckle..., you unavoidably realize the unflippable side...
Your SELF between, between, between something and not even nothing
SELF is between, between is SELF
An inkling of relating, a beginning of playing around limits,
Tumbling through NO and THING
And you chuckle some more..., you laugh..., this is fun, f-u-n, FUN !!!
YOU COULD DO THIS FOREVER..... and you DO....,
Laughter..., YOU ARE ALREADY DOING THIS FOREVER
NOW, FOREVER NOW..., laughingly you expand your expanse (Dutch: rijk wijdte)
Your universal echo, I, I, I, I, I, I, THIS THIS THIS!!!
Universal laughter as you tumblingly form your flippin' universe.
And merriment... ah divine fun... the tumbli-ness of being and not.
Flippingly you discover a playful naughtiness.
This has forever only been the beginning,
The endy edge of being...
There is no end to stopping...
There is more :-), but I leave it at this.
Wim
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