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Recieved: 2000/05/08 15:40
Subject: Re: [K-list] Judgement and Awakening (was :New poll for Kundali
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/05/08 15:40, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Mia and Mario:
Mia wrote:
> > you know....... as an astrologer i have to protest against this
> > trivialization of astrology AND enlightenment/ awakening as well as
against
> > the discriminatory / judgemental result this kind of a poll would come
up
> > with.
Mario wrote:
> ...speaking of judgemental. Who is judging who here ?
About judgemental things... and awakening / enlightenment.
Of course we should first discuss what awakening or enlightenment really
means... Do the words even mean the same?
But that may just be one of the most difficult topics to get into EVER...
Jehovah (whoever that was) and Adam and Eve (whoever they were) got into
that right off the bat. So maybe it would be better to leave it to just
'subjective observation' and leave the "judge" out. After all it has to do
with the Observer and the SELF...
Problem is that the un-enlightened person has no way of knowing just what it
is what 'is' IS. ...and when you know you KNOW.
So let's just stick with the word 'judgement' for a while and see if we can
let go of it altogether.
If you consider yourself judgemental or if you are 'concernedly' affected by
the question of judgement... then you are in the process of getting yourself
out from the sphere of judgementalism. Or, to say it more appropriately, you
are liberating yourself, freeing yourself from duality, you are overcoming
the world of opposites... Take credit for that... and do not judge yourself
about the fact that you are still judging yourself... :-) :-) :-) Say
positively that your equanimity is increasing and... pat yourself on the
back... Notice more and more the presence of unconditional self-appreciation
in yourself and all. Love yourself, love forever, wherever, whatever...
Do not judge yourself or let yourself be judged.
Now what about people who *consider* themselves enlightened or awakened...?
In the first place it is not a consideration. In the second place you cannot
set-up a test for it and get certified by getting the OK from some guru or
another... (Although there are formalized ways of doing this, e.g.
Muktananda did it, Franklin Jones has a certificate.) Those are the days of
yore....
At one point you just know, one is at once untouchable by the gripes and
grips of the world... The whole question of judgement will undo itself into
nothingness... You grant the dissolution to yourself and you take it for
granted. Illusive stuff just appears to be fluff. Life is play, there is
nothing serious about it.
This kind of poll is of course useless, as Mia says. Well, if that is so
than it will prove itself to be just that. And that is also the fun of it...
The poll is here now, so be it. We can play with it or judge it to be
judgemental.
I would not be surprised if we get a pretty equal distribution... so far
with only four votes in, it is just that... Oh wait a second....the fifth
vote is just in and... it is still equal distribution....Neato!.... So far
anyways........
Sixth one just in. Still equal distribution...! This is far out...!
Of course *I* expect more Pisces to be awakened, because my sign is Pisces,
a Leo will expect more Leos to be awakened because that is just what Leos
always think, hehehehe. And a Virgo... I once met a Virgo... but that is
another tale... :-)
Games involve judgement, playing does not...
Have fun...
Love,
Wim
To see some of my files you might be interested in:
http://www.onelist.com/files/Kundalini-Gateway/Wims/
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