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Recieved: 2000/05/04 10:48
Subject: Re: [K-list] personal karma?
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/05/04 10:48, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 04:42 PM 5/3/00 -0400, meeradjiATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 02.05.00 21:22:35 Mitteleuropa Sommerzeit,
>serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
>
><< Eventually, the K. process will be done with you, you will run out of
> your own "stuff", and at that point, other people's "stuff" won't stick
> anymore, and it will feel good to be around people again.
> Like me, you will be able to play "Karmic Vampire" for the fun of it,
> and not because it is a necessary mercy for your own comfort and
wellbeing.
>>>
>
>I had to think about that for a while ,Mystress.
>from my point of view of a mystic the so called " personal" stuff is only
>partly personal. As i feel it we " make" something personal by identifying
>with it. In an other reality there is no " own" or personal stuff, because
>there is no person.......
>in a way it´s only a matter of stopping the identification.
Yes, I agree with you.. and.. I don't agree.. both at once, with no
contradiction. It depends on how you look at it, or rather, where you look
at it from. Every chakra has an eye, and each of those eyes sees into a
different dimensional level, an entirely different universe.
You are looking at it from the crown chakra-cosmic unity. From that
place, there is no other, and there is no Karma, so the entire post is null
and void.
However, my post was a response to Mario, who was having trouble with
issues of self and other. He was asking for help with what he percieved to
be a "problem", of empathic sensitivity (heart chakra based) and energy
draining (power chakra based). He is experiencing issues of self-and-other,
(2nd chakra) and problems with other people's emotions straying into his
individual consciousness. (2nd chakra territorial issues)
He was looking at it from the view of the lower chakras, where he lives.
There, scarcity of energy and separation of individuals is part of normal
reality. I responded to him on the level he is at. Thus, I made a few
references to the illusions of "other", but mostly I focused on how
"service to other" will return Karmic benefits to the individual, and how
the "problem" can be seen as an opportunity for an investment in his own
growth. ( Showing how the universe appears from a higher level: above the
heart, there are no problems and no victims.)
Telling him that there are no others and there is no karma would have
been of little use to him, because he does not yet live there. That is not
his experience of reality.
It would have been as useless as telling someone in a soup kitchen that
"Goddess provides" and everything is perfection. They are not in a place to
see perfection, and they are experiencing scarcity, so such advice would
appear to them as callous cruelty.. not Divine compassion.
Mario won't experience the reality you live in, until the veils of
perception have been lifted by clearing the blockages that appear at that
level, which in that dimensional universe are called "karma".
>As i feel it we are all and all the time working on the " whole".
Well, you are not clear on it, either, because that statement contains
many contradictions. If you are the whole, then there is no "We"..no
others. There is only I AM. From that place, all is timeless eternal
perfection and there is no "work" to be done. No "doing", only "being".
Your first statement was crown chakra based, (all is One) then you
slipped lower into a different dimension there there is "we" and "work". I
understand, that the slip was one of identification.. unless we come into
each other's universe, to a similar place there is no communication.
This is normal, most of us do not keep our consciousness exclusively in
one chakra, we adapt to each other's perceptions in order to
comminicate... as I did, writing to Mario.
As a side note, you make a general statement of what a "mystic" sees and
thinks, compared to a non-mystic, but that is a separatist-attitiude. I
would not say that Mario is any less a "Mystic" that you, just because his
universe is based in a different chakra.. we are all Mystics in the process
of becoming.
> Most of us
>experience certain energies as something " personal", because otherwise we
>wouldn´t deal with it. As long as there is a separated personality it might
>be that this personality identifies with certain blocks of energy they
call "
>mine" and as long as these energy piles exist these people have to deal with
>" personal " karma. But mainly as long as we are not beyond all these games
>at all we are dealing with the " archetypes" of " problems" more than with "
>our own" so called karma ( i don´t believe in personal karma as you can
>see...;-))
I would say, you do and you don't, depending on what chakra-dimension
you speak from. Above, you say that you believe some Karma is "partly
personal".. which suggests that you precieve yourself as an individual in a
world of others, and you also percieve the cosmic unity of All.
That is OK, you too, are a Mystic in the process of becoming. You hold
a belief in Unity, but there is also evidence in your writing, of your
manifested reality- experience of choosing whether or not to identify with
what belongs to "other". You *believe* intellectually, that there is not
personal Karma, but your experiential place, where you live, sees a choice
in whether to identify Karma as yours individually, or archetypal.
I call it "fake it till you make it", and it is an excellent way to
promote spiritual growth. Hold the belief persistently, till it actualizes
and becomes your reality.
>I give you an example: my mother calling me crying, telling me they ( my
>parents, both psychotherapists) never had these kind of male/ female cliches
>going on in their relationship, they never had all this crap of " normal"
>relationships going, but nevertheless it`s " there" and she knows for sure,
>it´s not him and not herself, but they have to deal with it anyway.
>I told her, in my opinion they are working on the archetype of relationship
>and the manifested problems of ALL "normal" married couples. It´s not
their "
>fault" and not much they can do about it. By being a married couple, even if
>you have no " personal" story in this direction and no personal " karma" you
>are working on the whole.
Well, looking from one chakra I can agree with that, and if I look at
it from another chakra, I could say that they are in denial about the truth
of their relationship, and you have just given them a martyr complex. Now
they can stay in denial and work on the issues from the emotional safety of
"service to other".
Which OK, too.. so long as they work thru it, it doesn't matter how
they choose to believe in it.
Whether the issues originated archetypally, culturally, or if they are
surfacing from "past" lives, or whether it comes from family history bound
in uncoiling DNA, really doesn't matter. It's theirs now, and they have to
deal with it. Certainly it is possible that these issues are coming from
"Karma" they have taken on from their patients, but it really doesn't
matter. What matters, is what Is.. wherever the issues came from
originally, the issues are theirs, now.. they are present for them in the
here and now, and still have to be dealt with.
Everything we do, whether is it "personal" or "Archetypal" creates
ripples that affect the whole, whether we are individually aware of Cosmic
Unity, or not. Each of us is "All that IS", whether we know it, or not. So
in many ways the distinction is senseless. It's only value lies in the
emotional safety of the individual psyche.
>When i understood you right, Mystress , you are saying you have no personal
>karma left and therefore you like to eat, burn, take whatever other people
´s
>karma. why do you have to " take" it?
>I mean.... what separated you from it anyway?
>What " I" keeps you apart from this working on the whole?
>Or do you experience the whole picture differently?
>if yes, how?
Huh.. again, depends on what chakra level I describe it from. It is
perceptual.
If I want to hang out in my crown/third eye chakras, there are not
others and there is no Karma, and everything is perfection. Nothing to do,
no where to go.
People speak of problems but those things appear to me as god-Self
playing at a game of separation, hide and seek from Ultimate reality,
purely for the pleasure of experiencing.
The starving child has chosen to incarnate as a starving child because
it is God-me playing a game with itself, and I don't need to do a thing
about it, I can sit on my ass under the Boddhi tree because the pain it is
experiencing is perfection/ illusion of Maya.
Personally, that gets boring to me. Boring is a judgment, but what
happens is sooner or later the body wants to have me back in it. Living in
the crown is OBE and the body starts to waste away unoccupied. Living calls
me down to physicality again. To the pleasures of eating and walking and
typing out emails to the illusions of other. :)
Being is possible without a body, I incarnated for the pleasure of
Doing. Call it Boddhisattva if you like..
So, I can go into a place where I am all that is, but for day to day
living it is simpler to live in the heart, and let others have their
individuality and free will, and make a distinction between my
karma-individuality and thiers. On the highest level, everything is
already forgiven/all is perfection and there is nothing to forgive. Or, if
you are christian, Christ died for our sins already and if he wants them he
can have them. It's handled.
On the level of individuality, if you try to take on the karma of the
world you will burn out, because the energy availiable at that place is
finite.. the limiting beliefs of Karma's existence will also limit the
individual ability to process karma on behalf of others...
So, as an option, I can choose to identify with those who speak of
separation, problems and pain, and go down to their dimension to relate to
their experience. I can move into the heart (where I usually live..) and
experience empathy, and identification.
If I do that, then via Tantric unity, we 2 are one, and "water finds
it's own level", they are drawn upwards and I am pulled downwards so we
meet on middle ground.. as shown in Mario's post. I'm lifting him to a
place of empowerment, higher perceptions, looking for perfection, but not
so high that my observations don't make sense in his universe. Or another
way to put it would be that he recieves the Shaktipat of my laser-eyes
attention and I take on some of his Karmic belief-blockages.
Going into the dimensions below the crown, I move into the universe
where there are individuals and "Free will is Goddess Law". In that
universe, I cannot change who they are unless they let me, because Goddess
supports their free will choices. If I am on a higher level, being
Goddess, then I have no motive to want to change them because they are part
of my own Divine Perfection.
I like the world of physicality and individuals, love requires the
illusions of other to be exchanged, so the game of Karma Vampire snacking
is fun, for me.
The person I'm unified with experiences the Karma as being theirs, and
according to the laws of that place it is effective for them to give me
consent to clear it and take it from them.
If I take on the Karma but it doesn't clear because I do not have
consent, then I sometimes get trapped on their level by the identification
I have taken on, and am no longer so free to move about on each level as I
please. I get stuck with their Karma, which forms a blockage in my system
that can be very annoying... it shuts down my higher perceptions... It is
ego-junk and if I am not mindful I don't notice it, but it affects me
anyways. It alters my personality, I grow a new ego, take on duality and
become visible again.
Periodically I do a ritual to "give back" any stuff I have taken on that
won't clear because the person who "owns" it won't give it up...Then I can
move freely among the dimensions again. I'm a karma magnet, simply by
virtue of being a high-vibe person.
Thus, after hanging out with 50 Pagans for Beltane, (they are free will
oriented, I am surrender oriented, but I love them anyways..:) ) I crashed
out and slept for 14 hours straight, as the stuff I'd taken on from them
was cleared from my system. If I stay home, I usually only need about 4
hours of sleep a night.
I partly shielded myself before going to Beltaine, as I do when grocery
shopping and whatnot, but then I was been walking around in a different
universe from everybody else.. not very social.
In fact, during the opening ritual I noticed how some people were
reacting to me.. or rather, *not* reacting.. and deduced that I was
invisible. Ascended nothingness. Being invisible can get kind of lonely,
it's wierd when your friends don't notice you exist and walk right by
without saying hello.. so I took on enough stuff to come down into
polarity-space and be visible for the event.
It is hard to explain, because I see it differently from different
levels, but it is related to the empathy Mario was complaining of. I take
on stuff and start behaving differntly, and if I don't notice it, it can be
very odd. When I was doing a lot of Karmic Vampire work I was on an
emotional rollercoaster, often not noticing the emotions I was expressing
were not my own, and it took quite a lot of mindfullness and discernment
to clear myself out each day and get back to the comfort of my silent,
stable head.
It can have physical effects, as well. For the last 2 months I have been
gaining weight. I gained 15 pounds for no reason, and it really bugged me
because I could not figger out what was going on.. I wasn't eating any
differently but suddenly l was gaining weight..
Well, the other night I finally hauled out the pendulum coz my
intuition was not informative, the blockages I'd taken on limited my
ability to discern. Via the pendulum, I figgered out/remembered that last
time I saw my older sister, in Feb., I took on some karma- overweight
issues from her. (I am the only thin fem in my family) and somehow I forgot
to pass it onto Goddess. Sis has been getting liposuction, reconstructive
cosmetic surgery, etc., and is in the process of a stressful divorce, so it
was a mercy to help her shed the weight issues.. She agreed that I could
take the stuff, but somehow I didn't fully clear it from my system after I
took it.. and it altered my metabolism.
So, having identified the problem, I shed the Karmic baggage and lost 3
1/2 lbs literally, over night.. now that the karma bits are gone, my body
will go back to it's natural weight without effort.
My sister had been coming to mind when I thought of the weight, but I
presumed it was a memory of how she has always been a little jealous of my
physique.. I was not clear enough to get the message..
Anyhow, I hope that clears things up.. if it doesn't, ask more
questions and I'll try to explain it in different words, but as I say, how
I describe it depends on what chakra I'm looking at it from, and who I'm
unified with, to teach, so my explanations sometimes might contradict how I
would express it on another day, to someone else.
Thus, when preparing to write this Tantra course, I had to kind of
create an identity for myself, and some paradigms.. because I am accustomed
to being a reflection, to teach, and without an audience or specific
student to speak to, there was nothing to reflect.. and if I time travelled
to reflect everyone who will ever see the material, then there was too much
information.. (but it did amaze the crap out to me to discover how popular
this course will become!!!)
Finally I found some kind of middle ground but I won't really be able to
explain what I did until the creative process is done and I can shed the
persona. Then I'll be able to see the forest for the trees, and understand
who I have become to do the work I'm doing.
I will close with another example: it rained on Beltane.. it *always*
rains on Beltane, and at one point I was chatting with an ex-cleint who is
into huna who was complaining about the rain.. I explained to him that it
always rains on Beltane because Beltane is a fertility festival, and rain
is fertility, abundance, water of life that makes things grow. He looked at
me and said, "That's what you believe?".. and I said "sure!", because it
seemed way too complicated to try to make a shift back into being
nothingness to try explain that I am nothing and the belief was
situational.. I was at a pagan event, and had taken on pagan
ego-perceptions to be social and visible, so I was speaking in Pagan
paradymes.. if I am at home by myself, in my usual invisible ascended
state, then I would not need to explain reasons for rain, the rain just Is.
So, I may say a lot of different things responding to different
people's posts, and the easy way to explain it, is to say I am channelling
guidance from their unconscious, to tell them what they need to hear, to
grow and evolve.
For myself, there are only 2 beliefs I hold to be unalterable truth,
all the rest are situational, or conveneint for the manifestation of the
moment:
1) Free will is Goddess Law (what you choose to believe will come true
for you)
2) Love is All that Is.. (love=E=MC2)
Blessings!
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