To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/04/28 20:44
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Lets B.S. on K!
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/04/28 20:44, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Maureen and Percyfal
percyval wrote:
> > how and why did this thread get moved onto this list? it was from
SacredK and Harshasatsangh...
> ~~*+M~*
> Yeah, had me wondering also??? Wim brought it over?
No, I don't do miracles like that, it came through somebody (David Ganesh?)
who must have used "reply all" with one of Tony's old posts and that brought
Tony's syndrome back to the forefront... :-) But instead of a syndrome, I
start wondering now if this affliction is not viral or bacterial and if one
can catch it from others...
Hmmm, maybe it wormed itself through a worm hole... :-)
Maureen also wrote:
>but honestly would like to see a little more of what the *books* have to
say
>because after reading a few, I think this is what Tony is going after. I
>know I haven't read enough but there's a whole other portion of material
>on Kundalini that doesn't appear to be represented on some of the lists
>I read. And it is ,,*in the books*.
Nothing wrong with books, Maureen you are right. In fact Tony always quoted
the right stuff. I have read all them books as well, quite a while ago I
must say...and more... even some Sanskrit originals. But at some point one
stops quoting and prescribing and dictating...
BTW I have invited Tony to my place, he does not live too far from here
(Victoria). I find him a very interesting and even experienced person, I'm
sure we will have fun together...
Problem is, the oriental books' paradigm does not fit and overlap the
western paradigm too well. And that is where the discrepancies start, thus
the experience of K gets malformed or even thwarted or prevented or even
denied validity... That last one is THE symptom that points to the 'Tony
Syndrome'.
I hope, but I may not succeed well, to put that K. experience in language
that we contemporarily use. Sure, there will always be misunderstanding...
but when we describe the vital, creative, volitional, emotional,
expressional, inspirational and spiritual experiences well then we will get
somewhere...
Maureen also wrote:
>And the most confusing, kundalini,tantra,whatever, is that what I
>read, in books, speaks of the higher. Points to the higher.
Yes, yes... and some of our correspondents write of that too... or maybe
some are lurking a bit too much and could divulge a bit more... (Larry
Schmitz were are you?)
Good thing about this list is that it stays down to earth... that is O SO
important... luckily not too much transcendence...
After all who has ever touched the wings of an Angel, pulled on the robe of
a Spirit Guide, walked through a wall (really), who has been burned by a
Purple Flame.... in fact...? And I went through fire...but never got
burned... go through walls but remain physically in one spot, visit
purgatory and hellish realms but not in the body. We need to rely on our
senses first, then attraction, gravity, relationship and the resilience of
time will start to show their mysteries to us through the micaculousness of
life, joy and love. Then the sixth sense will come in. Then we will be ready
for realms with more dimensions, space and time wise... but we cannot do
that if we not honour our dear Earth and its primary laws of chaos
(Mandelbrot wise) and order.
That may sound quite empirical and somewhat sceptical... but looking for a
way out higher up lets us overlook the fact that we are not caught and
imprisoned on this plane and planet.
Don't forget the Buddha was quite a down to earth guy... that's how he
discovered bodhisattva-hood...heaven could wait... it will come in due
time... we need to totally see the miraculous in this realm... that is why
we are here...
What's my point... just freewheeling a bit... thanks Maureen!
This IS heaven
Love,
Wim
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