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Recieved: 2000/04/21 22:53
Subject: Re: [K-list] Objectivity as illusion?
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/04/21 22:53, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 12:16 AM 4/22/00 -0400, YahseyesATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 4/20/00 5:53:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com writes:
>
><< Hitler was an illusion? An
> earthquake is an illusion? >>
>Unfortunately, each reality holds that only their truth is the objective
real
>truth. I think that is how it was presented and how I got it. Dan's
>response seemed to support what I got out of it.
>
>I am still looking for further responses to help me understand it.
OK, I'll tackle it. Premise: objectivity is illusion-all perceptions
are subjective.
Truth, our senses pick up raw data, light and sound vibrations, etc,
and this raw data is filtered thru our unconscious which identifies what is
percieved, and sends output to our consciousness based on our previous
experiences. This is true of all perception, no matter who is percieving,
even with a scientist or reporter, input is filtered thru the unconscious.
There is only subjectivity, objectivity does not exist, because of the
nature of perception. All perceptions are filtered thru the lens of
perception, so everyone sees something slightly different.
Sample: is the glass half full or half empty? Depends on who is
percieving. Ever see "The Gods must be crazy"? The bushmen had never seen
glass before, they thought the Coke bottle was made of some kind of hard
water.
The statement does not mean that Hitler didn't happen, but rather that
every person who percieved Hitler, saw him thru their own subjective
filters of opinions, judgments and beliefs. Everyone has a different
experience of Hitler. Everyone has different experiences of life, so no two
people see things in exactly the same way. Everybody lives in a different
reality.. their own universe.
Even this post: everyone is reading the same words, but everyone is
experiencing the information differently, and having different thoughts
about it... so the words take on a different meaning to different people.
Thus, the learning of Kundalini is experiential.. until you have had the
experiences, you cannot understand the spirtual writings.. and even people
who have had similar experiences interpret them differently.
Another example: there was a lesson given to a group of psychology or
criminology students.. someone ran into the classroom, mugged the
professor, and ran out again. The students were asked to describe what they
saw, for a police report... most saw a black man with a gun or a knife..
they could not agree on what color shirt he wore, etc.. it was actually a
white guy armed with a banana.. nobody in the room saw a banana.. because
the filters of perception altered their reality to fit in with their beliefs.
We do not see "reality", we only see our opinions about it reflected.
Because this unconscious filtering is an intrinsic part of the mechanism of
perceptions, there can be no objectivity. Even if you percieve via an
object: like a camera, the eyes that see the photograph still send the
patterns of light thru the unconscious before it reaches the
consciousness.. and so no two people see the same thing.
Even with something like, a glass with some water in it.. if you observe
your thoughts, only a tiny portion of the thoughts are the perceptions of
the glass, the rest is opinions:
Are you thirsty?
Do you wish ther glass was more full?
Do you want it empty so it could be washed?
Do you like the shape of the glass?
Do you notice how it reflects light?
Do you wish it was full of beer? Milk?
If you have been dying of thirst in the desert, the glass with water will
look like a divine gift.
Similarly, with the phenomena of invisibility.
Example: I was taking two net-friends on a tour of the city. They ducked
into a washroom while I waited outside and had a smoke. I let my mind
wander, into the energy of the place, the pond, the spirit of the algae and
water lilies, the wood of the bench.. unifying with these things. They
came out of the washroom and I observed them looking all around for me,
turning this way and that, looking perplexed..
I was sitting right in front of them, 15 feet away right opposite the
washroom doors, in full view out in the open, afternoon sunlight, and I
was the only person around. I was not still: I was smoking.. I was wearing
bright colors. After a minute some part of my mind realized they really
could not see me, and it was rude to be sitting there invisible when they
were looking for me. I shifted my attention from my surroundings, back to
myself and reached out with my mind to say hello.. and appeared in their
perceptions. They said "you were right there the whole time??" Amazed. They
then understood what I meant, when I told them I vanish sometimes..
Hope that clears things up.. Blessings!
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