To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/04/21 20:37
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sama sam sam!
From: David Bozzi
On 2000/04/21 20:37, David Bozzi posted thus to the K-list:
Hi Tony!
Tony O'Clery wrote:
> Sakti cannot be felt until the day of 'Moksha'. Why? because one cannot
> experience
> God without becoming God.
This is intellectual speculation.
Nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with nothing either.
To believe something other than god becomes god is...
well I don't know what that is!
> There is only prana and karma, energy and action. The
> prana is what causes experiences, it takes many roles
> including Kundalini.
Did you read that from a book?
I confess, I myself do not know what all there is, is.
But if I would want to discover what is all there is
I would first have to know what I am not.
Know?
> The cleansing K prepares the inner sheaths of
> consciousness, for eventual realisation. This depends
> on how much cleansing needs to be done and how many
> tendency samskaras are there from previous lives.
Every 'previous' life is here & now...
> Cleansing oneself by not eating meat, drinking
> alcohol, doing drugs, nicotine etc can alleviate this
> process.
The body is a drug. The most powerful one I know.
This too must be cleansed. Who will do that?
> Without moving too much into the field of non-dualism,
> all comes from within oneself not from a guru!!!!!
I would agree with this. But on a thinking level it means nothing.
(as on a non-thinking level)
> If the guru has become one with the universe, very
> few, like Ramana or Jesus, then that is within
> oneself.
You raise the idea of non-duality...
If all is one and all division is illusion ,how do a 'few' become one
with
the universe? What of the 'rest'?
If there is a 'rest' than the universe can not possibly be one, know?
> The inner guru pulls and the outer guru
> pushes, so to speak but it is the same thing really.
Ok. Inner, outer what *is* the difference?
> All other energy is prana,
'Other' energy?
Now I'm really confused.
> A person who has a truly risen K has no experiences at all,
Would the one void of experience be a person at all?
> those well on the way have diminished K
> experiences except for awareness and bliss, bliss can
> be a trap also.
Traps and freedom
Love and fear.
The difference lies in the mind of no one.
Blessings,
David
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