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Recieved: 2000/03/27 11:57
Subject: [K-list] Some points on Osho and stuff.
From: Tony O'Clery
On 2000/03/27 11:57, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
Namaste All, Rob, Angelique et al,
Tony:>Osho was given to putting fires out by throwing
>> >gasoline on them also. He was a well educated
fraud
>> >who understood tantra very well, but knew most
>> >westerners would misread it as sex. Unfortunately
>> he
>> >was too weak and attached to his ego to hold up
the
>> >truth.
Rob:>Indulgence and avoidance both
entail
attachment, which is counterproductive to
liberation... He encourages
ppl
to not fear nor obsess about their desires, but
witness them in action
and
LEARN.<
Tony ans: I see nothing contradictory in what I said,
I agree with the statement of Osho, but the proof of
the pudding is in the eating. He let his devotees
misunderstand by their actions. That is not being
true unto himself. Hypocrisy if you will. Being a
fraud to oneself!
Desire and aversion are the same thing, 'rising above'
as I wrote is 'witnessing' and de-energising the
samskaric tendencies
Angelique wrote>Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
Why *do* you still use Sai Baba's mantra, Tony?
just curious.
BTW: please remember to snip your posts.
Blessings.. <
This not a Sai Baba mantra but a 'Universal
Consciousness Mantra', the only mantra Sai Baba has is
one he misappropriated from the 'real', Sai Baba of
Shirdi.
Also addictions and desires are just different
intensities of the same tendency. An addiction is a
strongly reinforced desire, through repeated
indulgence, until the samskara/becomes deeply embedded
in the sheaths or kosas. As does an instinct. Until
the person may loath the desire but the samskaras rule
and he is in a predicament.
Love/God is an energy, much of what humans call love
is really, in the main, attachment. A desire to follow
one's bliss as Campbell said is a different thing. He
was talking of surrender not indulgence. All these
things can be done without attachment to the results,
even the illusory Goddess has to be risen above and
left behind.
Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
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