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Recieved: 2000/03/23 07:48
Subject: Re: [K-list]Osho.. and the application of criticism
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2000/03/23 07:48, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
At 01:49 PM 3/23/00 +0100, Danijel Turina wrote:
>From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamiskon.hr>
>
>At 00:36 2000.03.23 -0800, you wrote:
>>From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>> Yes, Danijel, I attacked you, and I still attack you, at every
>>opportunity, only gentler....
>
>:) You say that like it's a good thing, to attack me. To interpret
>everything I say from a superior perspective - "been there, done that"...
>if it pleases you, you can go on with that forever, but somehow I see it as
>a bloody waste of time.
????? Oh, the reflecton game again..:) but your first post, upon
returning to the list, you attacked everybody and claimed a superior
perspective..
>Well, I had no other options, since you were wrong in everything
Yes, you always think so.. :)
> except the
>fact that I overworked myself and that I need a vacation badly,
Yes. :) But you like flaming me, better than sleep..:) A change is
as good as a rest, they say..:)
> and that I
>might be forcing the flowers open, metaphorically speaking.
I think so..
>But I'm long
>past the phase when I tried to prove you wrong all the time. I accepted the
>fact that you will never understand me, and when I did that, I lost the
>need to persuade you and explain things.
Then why do you still do it?
>Did you consider the fact that your attacks might be simply your
>unwillingness to change perspective -
Of course. But, I actually change perspective more often than I change
my socks, and contradict myself, for the fun of it.
The exception proves the rule. So, if I hear a rule, right away, I go
looking for the exception. Any rule, that has an exception, is no longer a
rule. The exception disproves the rule. So, there are no rules, it's a free
will zone, anything you choose to believe, will come true for you. Free
Will is Goddess law.. that's a rule.. what's the exception? Consensus
reality.. So that is not a rule either, .. where's the polarity?
Everything that happens, is Divine will. Free Will is an illusion. Love is
the law.. love is all that is... except your free will chooses not to see
it.. Free will is Goddess Law.. Thou Art Goddess.. everything that happens,
is Divine Will.. Goddess is love.. Goddess sees perfection. You don't see
perfection, so you are not Goddess. Goddess is all that Is. Thou art Goddess.
I take a few laps of that stuff around my head a few times, and I end
up feeling quite refreshed, it's a brain rinse that persuades me to give up
the folly of thinking altogether, let alone thinking I know something. Then
my brain stops thinking and thinking that thinking is knowing, and my mind
grows wonderfully silent so I can just Be... at least, until someone gives
me a rule.. :)
> an internal duel of yours, where you
>confront two sides of yourself, and project the roles of advocatus dei and
>advocatus diaboli into the external conversation?
Of course.. angelic=Serpent. But what is the external conversation?
Everything I see is a reflection of me.. :) Especially when I'm talking to
you.. according to you...
BTW: thankyou for brilliantly illustrating my comment, about the "2
Gurus" mirror game.. :)
> Do you know your limits, do you know
>when to stop? When the criticism becomes harmful, counterprouctive, misused
>and simply hurts everybody without any real reason?
You really do need more sleep. My post was playful. You are coming
out with guns blazing.. :) So, who are you really talking about, then?
>I have seen many situations where you made obvious projections - you didn't
>talk to the real people, but to your images of them, and then you could get
>extremely violent,
Who is violent?
> I really would like someone to
>criticise _me_, that would help me to learn about my stupidity and weak
>spots,
Ah.. but you don't have any of those.. :)
>but when someone projects me with their shit, and does it with a
>spiritually-enlightened-self-righteous way, my reaction is disgust, and
>then I either flame or leave.
What happened to seeing purity in everything?
> I'm developing another reaction; resignation.
>I shrug and don't give a shit.
I think that is a better reaction.. Shrug, laugh, don't care..
detachment..
>The truth must be somewhere in between, eh? Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
>even beyond one extreme, or another. "The truth in between" is not tao, it
>is mostly just mediocricy and a compromise with a lie.
Not for me.. I think it's fun. Collapsing polarities.
>I would really like Sai Baba to be present here and be able to speak for
>himself. Then I would flame his ass off.
ROTFLOL!! Well, he's not here, but I guess I'll do??
>> Anyhow, here are my thoughts on Osho.. who I am passionately in love with,
>>even more now than I was before, simply because you don't like him. :)
>
>I really don't like him. He gives me cold shivers of extremely bad news.
>Embodied darkness.
Yup, that's how I felt about Sai Baba.. except my opinion was not so
extreme, of course.. coz I didn't consider him worthy of that much energy.
You don't have to like Osho. I think he's wonderful.
>><Danijel's "holier than thou" comments about his struggling poverty being
>>morally superior to Osho's Rolls Royces left private... well, snipped, at
>>least..:> >
>>
>> You think that's "better"? LOL!! :)
>
>No, all of that is not my problem. I don't have a problem with having
>money, I have a problem with quasi-spiritual manipulation based on sexual
>and financial abuse, which is what Osho is all about. My ideals are Jesus,
>Babaji and Vivekananda. It is a blasphemy that I even mentioned their holy
>names in the same paragraph with Osho.
Oh, Danijel, I love you dearly.. learning to laugh when you come
after me with guns blazing, for no reason, has been really good for me. :)
>> You can have Babaji, with his "I don't give a shit it's all Maya
>>attitude"..
>
>You will understand Babaji a week after you understand me.
<shrug> It was nice chatting with him, in my kitchen, that day..
whether you believe it, or not..
>No, my judgment, you can call it that, is not about "giving to the poor",
>no; he should have allowed the students to keep their money,
Why?
>but he should
>also have helped them to break their inner attachment to the physical
>reality, to the entire mamata-ahamkara consciousness, of "me-mine"; that is
>a worthy goal.
Uh... that's what I was telling you to do, yesterday.. to break some
possesive attachments that are dragging you down.
>> That's why I'm headed to Poona in summer, to the Osho meditation
>>retreat, to get inspiration for the Mansion project. Because Osho is
>>brilliant, and beautiful. The more of his stuff I read, the more I love him.
>
>As I said, I'll wait for you to come back and tell me about it. :)
I will.. :) Blessings!!
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