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Recieved: 2000/03/14 08:03
Subject: Man-Woman Relationships++ (was Re: [K-list] Re: Fwd: Re:new Bud
From: Ville Vainio
On 2000/03/14 08:03, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
From: Ville Vainio <vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi>
Terve,
> going through lately. I'm 23 (and male, if the Finnish names don't make
Ditto (23/Finnish male :-) I used to study at TUT, it would have
been a funny coincidence if I had chosen to go to HUT and even attended
same classes as you...
> reason to be that I just haven't met anyone that would really be equal
> to me. As I've learned to know myself better, especially the spiritual
I don't believe that man and woman in a sexual relationship have to be (or
even can be) equal. One of the best feelings man can have is lying on a
bed beside her naked woman, feeling that she is the ground, the earth, the
giver of birth, the womb... mother nature, and you (the man) is just some
little thing that has the opportunity to be in her, live in her and be
part of the glorious nature-dna. The woman is the universe, the man is
you.
(Obviously this doesn't extent to the everyday life, and it is great if
that woman does the dishes and householding for you :-)
More on this equality thing... I am also quite/very shy, and practically
never approached the opposite sex. It seemed like there was inpenetrable
wall, inequality, between me & them. However, when I first took ecstasy
(MDMA, age was 19), I felt the wall dissolve, and I saw that other people
were made of the same flesh, same ego, thoughts and worries as me... and
could look the girls in the eye, and also feel their interest towards me.
This was also the occasion that I actually approached my common-law wife.
After the experience I felt much more "with-them" (the other people), and
was approached by the members of opposite sex much more frequently than
all my life prior to that... I was probably "glowing" or whatever.
> Since the awakening of my interest to spiritual things last summer, I
> feel like having changed personally a lot. I'm not sure if this is some
> sort of Kundalini process (or surely it is, but at what stage), whether
> it is something that takes place before the awakening of K or whether
There indeed is some transformation that takes place prior to k... I
surely felt it.
> I perhaps have K already awakened. Anyhow, my experiences have been
When it awakens with full strength, you will notice it... it's not a
subtle thing.
> and in literature I've understood that the K process is usually a bodily
> process as well, with all the pains et cetera. Well, now I've returned
No, not necessarily, at least initially.
> their teachings, don't know. Anyway, in what I call meditation, I now
> have these sensations of blissful currents rising up my spine. This
> surely should be a sign of K, but I wonder if this is just the beginning
> and the real show is waiting to begin. The blissful sensation is nothing
Yes, the real show is waiting to begin. You are experiencing what
someone called "pranic activity". Active K is not bound to the time of
meditation, it's on all the time.
> Now this goes a bit off the point but I'm interested in how do you
> recognize the chakras that one supposedly has? Do you feel them, do you
Sometimes, when in a trance of some sort, they manifest as a hallucinatory
visualization.
> possible to visually perceive the neural activity of ones body in the
> manner one normally sees external objects, I wonder if this is the inner
> panorama Gopi Krishna is talking about... well, probably it's actually
Inner and outer. You can visualize your surroundings (which you are a part
of) and the panorama can be quite entertaining source of spiritual
interpretations (however false thay may be...).
> later look backwards in time, I find myself having been at times
> quite different from others of my age: I've always been more into
> the mental activities than the physical. At school, I was very lousy
> in (competitive) sports, lacking almost all interest in it, whereas
> the literary subjects have always been too easy for me. Only now
The same with me.
> So I guess I'll have to trust on guidance from higher self, God/dess,
> or whatever. I must reluctantly admit that at times I feel quite
> desperate (Ok, only for very short periods only every now and then),
> so what I've also started to fear is that I might actually also attract
> someone not so spiritually oriented and in a gust of desperatedness
> start a relationship where I couldn't be completely open due to the
> partner's incapability of receiving the whole spiritual load... so it
I have seen that this doesn't really matter. My wife is "not so
spiritually oriented" (even though we used to take psychedelics together)
and when I do my spirit-stuff, she usually just lovingly says that "man,
that's insane" and I just reply that I know, and smile. People learn &
grow. You could look for people who are into techno, goa, trance,
psychedelics and all the neo-hippies... some of them might have some
substance behind all that.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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