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Recieved: 2000/03/11 17:53
Subject: [K-list] Hi to Jani
From: mumble cat
On 2000/03/11 17:53, mumble cat posted thus to the K-list:
From: "mumble cat" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
>Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:10:36 +0200 (EET)
> From: Jani Mattsson <jmattsso+onelistATnospamniksula.hut.fi>
>Subject: new Buddha..
>
Hi Jani, welcome to the list !
Nice to see so many new ppl. :))
Thank you very much for describing your
situation. :) I for one find it rather
familiar.
>it since no one else I knew seemed to know
>anything about meditation and I thought I could use the time for better
>purposes. :-)
LOL ! There are many forms of meditation.
You don't have to do TM style.
Everything can be meditation, hiking in the
mountains, planting trees in the garden,
pipetting solutions in the lab,
playing videogames.... (!)
pouring tea. :))
Like the zenbuddhists say: Zen is everywhere and
can be practiced everywhere.
>I got
>again interested in meditation and the spiritual things, and above all,
>Kundalini.
A strong interest is often an invitation to
Kundalini. I know of one person
who got interested in Kundalini
and started researching it only to have
an awakening afterwards.
>sort of Kundalini process (or surely it is, but at what stage), whether
>it is something that takes place before the awakening of K or whether
It takes place both before and after.
As KungaJigme likes to say:
Before enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood carry water.
Same with before K before and after "activation".
>I perhaps have K already awakened. Anyhow, my experiences have been
>mainly mental, my world view has changed quite dramatically in the past
>eight or nine months. From the descriptions I've now read on this list
>and in literature I've understood that the K process is usually a bodily
>process as well, with all the pains et cetera.
Not always.
K brings about changes in the mental bodies
as well, and there some times most severly.
Many ppl experience changes in their life,
in the way they think, with K with little
felt in their physical body.
I think K takes the route of least
resistance.
I had the central channel open since a child
and K was definitely present, but was mostly
making itself known in the mental body in the
years before final activation.
>I now
>have these sensations of blissful currents rising up my spine. This
>surely should be a sign of K, but I wonder if this is just the beginning
>and the real show is waiting to begin. The blissful sensation is nothing
>spectacular, but still something I like to dwell on, coming from the
>base of the spine, going sometimes all the way up through my head or
>sometimes ending at a lower point.
If you relax and open yourself up to it gradually,
you may see more of it.
Some ppl (including myself) start with small energy and
tended to it grows, like a plant.
>Now this goes a bit off the point but I'm interested in how do you
>recognize the chakras that one supposedly has? Do you feel them, do you
>need to imagine them or does it come spontaneously as clearly as say
>you can feel a ball in your hand when you're holding one? Or do you
>see them?
They are felt clearly mostly when there is
a slight block to them or when the energy
largely is in the physical body.
When the energy is in the higher bodies,
I for one cannot feel the chakras, then the
entire body is a field of white light.
The chakras can be felt as spinning circles
of energy, and they can definitelt be felt
without active K in the body.
It is fully possible to do energy work without
K.
Visualization is a tool. Through visualization
one can direct the concentration, the thoughts
and also the energy.
Mystress says a lot about this on her
grounding page.
Visualization is very important in traditions
such as Tibetan Buddhism and some Indian tantric
forms. It is no coincidence they emphasize it so
much. It is great technique for training the
mind, have a clearer 3D imagination, concentration, memory.
Use visualization now and you may feel the
chakras tomorrow.
However, remember the chakras are only
representations and that there are many other
small chakras around aside from the 7 "big" ones.
I'll send you the URL for a good page about
Kundalini yoga and a classical
description of the chakras if you want.
>possible to visually perceive the neural activity of ones body in the
>manner one normally sees external objects, I wonder if this is the inner
>panorama Gopi Krishna is talking about...
In one way it is.
The subtle bodies can be seen as well as the
energy inside them when it is moving. My impression is that
Gopi Krishna never achieved
very good resolution in his viewing of the
subtle bodies, though.
>my higher self or whatever has all this time been guiding
>me to avoid getting into relationships to turn the attention and
>energies inwards, to fuel my enlightenment,
Not a bad investment at all, believe me. :)
Although this kind of involuntary
"monkhood" may feel
frustrating, it will pay off.
I experienced the exact same thing and still
do. Potential boyfriends are kept away.
There has never been a lack of admirers,
one female friend calls me a heart trampler,
but is it my fault ?
Single life is not bad at all when on the
spiritual path.
You do learn to see less of yourself and more
of what really counts.
It's just a question to let it have a chance to
surface in you. It is all there from the
beginning.
>man would be any better, but I've learned to tolerate them better or
>just ignore them.)
LOL ! Good work.
>After all, I'm quite happy that things are as they are, but I've
>started to think that it's about time I finally found a soulmate. Being
>realistic, I see it as rather impossible to find anyone just by chance.
>So I guess I'll have to trust on guidance from higher self, God/dess,
>or whatever.
If that happens, it will be the right thing.
If it doesn't happen, trust that there is a reason for it.
>so what I've also started to fear is that I might actually also attract
>someone not so spiritually oriented and in a gust of desperatedness
>start a relationship where I couldn't be completely open due to the
>partner's incapability of receiving the whole spiritual load...
Believe me, you want to avoid that.
That is a life full of frustration, a
partner that is unable to understand or
appreciate what's going on.
You'll save yourself a lot of ache.
>as I myself develop and become
>all the more diverted from the "normal"... :)
This happens on the spiritual path I think.
I used to be unuitable for romantic
relationships and with K, it is now a door
definitely shut.
But it is nothing to fear.
>Well, this morning then, while in the local swimming hall (I usually
>go there two or three times a week), I had the chance to dive up a
>90 year old man who had sunken to the bottom of the three meter deep
>pool.
>Fate keeps amazing me...
You did a great job there, I'd say you picked up
some good karma, some nice merit for the
future. ;)
>-- Jani Mattsson <jpm ATnospam iki . fi> -- http : // www.iki.fi / jpm / --
Thank you very much for letting us see your
web pages.
Nice to have a face to mails. :)
Thank you also for letting us read your story.
Let no one else fool you, you are a highly
intelligent and spiritual person.
Hope you will like it here.
BTW, if anyone wants to see some superb pictures
from the most beautiful country in the world,
Norway,
incidentally (?) Magne, Haakon and mine's home country,
check out Jani's web page now.
(God, I got to get myself back to Norway.
I can't stand the bloody bland and cowardly
weather and
landscape they have here. :(( )
Hope you had a good time there.
Looks like you saw the most essential as
well.
Best regards,
Amanda.
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