To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/03/10 06:00
Subject: Re: [K-list] More on Mania and Schizophrenia
From: Ville Vainio
On 2000/03/10 06:00, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
From: Ville Vainio <vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi>
> Ville, I'm not trying to argue with you or make you change your mind
> or anything.
Of course not, in essence I agree with you but am merely mediating some
thoughts of the psychiatric community to the list... and trying to see the
world from their perspective (which is the perspective of the human
population in general, it seems).
> >I don't think there is logic involved at all. It's just a bunch of shrinks
> >trying to make good guesses, usually failing miserably.
>
> :) Most medicine is like that, trying to
> make good guesses.
Yep, but "normal" medicine has some scientific basis. They know about
bacteria, virii, and things that have been proved to exists, instead of
thought-forms, archetypes, supportive settings and "balance".
> With real life humans and psychiatry, the
> questions become a bit different.
Hahah, everything would be much simpler if we didn't have to deal with
humans, minds, and actual reality :-).
> It is however different with mental illness
> which also carries with it neurological change
> and disease, which can be be easier tested for.
Yeah, but the shrinks don't really rely on the DSM diagnostics(and also
their validity could be argued) as strictly as they should. I checked up,
and according to the DSM criteria I'm by no means a schizoid personality,
or any other twisted personality for that matter (no offense to those
who actually have a personality disorder). I think that none of the
psychiatric diagnoses require neurological testing (expect to exclude some
neurological diseases).
> However, I would not have liked to have the difficult profession of
> psychiatrist, although at one point in my life I did consider it.
I think K would make one a pretty good psychiatrist... at least the K-ite
would know how it feels to be detached.
> I can sense the pain this "diagnosis" must have caused. Acquiring a
> "psychiatric" diagnosis has in many ways the effects of other ppl not
> wanting or not being able to take your views and wishes seriously. It
> is a rather depowering type of label.
Well, it's not an official diagnosis. The shrink knows it, my wife knows
it (and we like to laugh at it from time to time). I guess my family knows
about it too, but nobody really believes in it. It's a kind of joke,
really.
Of course some freshly graduated shrink would say that I'm just in denial
and should confront my disease, swallow the pills, go to the therapy and
try to keep my strait-jacket clean... "No, it's not kundalini, THERE IS NO
SUCH THING, it's okay to be insane, many smart people are, now just go to
bed and you can watch tv tomorrow". ;-)
> Some sources on the net claim that Kundalini can be turned outwards
> into external activities and used to enhance success in professional
> life. Personally I can't exactly see how this can come about, partly
> because K can make it difficult to read / study at times, and is prone
Ditto.
> to make one more easily tired, physically, as well as mucks up the
> short term memory, but yes, my personal experience is that K can
> reduce stress in general and at work.
Well, I hope so. At least K makes somt otherwise stressfull things seem
trivial, but when really heavy stress comes about, it can be
incapacitating. OTOH, this can just be a personality trait.
> >I'm in the age (23) when I'm
> >supposed to start developing a career of some sort, and I know my family
> >won't rest until I'm a stinking rich Ph.D. Up to know, k has given only spiritual benefits.
> Well, if to become a stinking rich PhD is what you most deeply want,
Actually it's not. I am in an unfortunate place where a lot of
expectations have been placed on me, which brings some unwanted
responsibilities. These success-things seem to be more important to
families/relatives than the persons themselves (this is the way in Japan
also, I uderstand?).
> When I first joined the list one year ago, I read these stories about
> how K had caused many ppl to lose their jobs. I thought I was in for
> the same, but so far, I have only become more deeply involved.
I was studying for MSc when the K started and I definitely had to stop
studying, and working would not have been an option at all. But I don't
know now, almost 3 years into the experience - I believe I could work
nowadays. What's the deal with other people on the list?
> >"Balance"... hmm.. I think I had that feeling around the early 1997 ;-).
> LOL !
>
> More like a thermostat then, up then down,
> up then down, somewhere in this balancing act
> the perfect balance will be struck and then
> balance will never again be a problem. ;)
Yeah, alternating current is not in balance when voltage-time is
concerned, but is in balance when frequency is concerned...
> >Me, personally, even consider caffeine a drug and avoid it as much as
> >possible, and don't even recommend drinking tea to anyone.
> Alcohol has an even more pronounced effect. It causes pain in the neck
> and head and a general feel of being wrongly loaded with energy.
"Restless neck" seems to be the result of drinking too little. Drinking
too much cures it, but spoils the subsequent days. Sometimes I wonder why
some mystics (and even William James) used to think alcohol has some
mystic powers/religious functions. It is quite spirito-supressive.
> Well, you do have the weird strange unfeeling
> distant and strange ( did I already mention that ?) Japanese
Depersonalization?
> I only think that in today's world, mental activities are becoming
> more and more common because of the way we structure our societies.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the psychiatrists warned about this
development some day. OTOH, it might increase their client base...
> Prior to the chemical revolution of psychiatry, I do believe a lot of
> patients were cared this way, by kind co-villagers or family members,
> there was simply nothing more to do for them than give them the basic
> care and see to it that they did not harm themselves or others in
> their illness.
Yes, the legendary "village idiots".
> However,
> I am not sure this is the right solution.
I believe the patients should be given all the drugs they want (if they
are in a condition to make judgements), but therapy should not be forced
on anyone.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
Wild geese have no intention to cast a reflection
Water has no mind to assume their form
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