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Recieved: 2000/03/05 12:19
Subject: Re: [K-list] Maya and Sanskrit.
From: Tony O'Clery
On 2000/03/05 12:19, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
Namaste Wim,
Philologically I don't whether you sound like an
asshole or an arsehole.....hahahah Tony.
With regard to Ma Ya I wasn't splitting hairs but
showing that Sanskrit as a contrived spiritual
language, the word means perfected, that it is based
on sounds. These sounds are bijas and mantras and
pre-exist words and language. What I wrote you will
find in no dictionary. Brahma really is Brahm,
perhaps, although it is pronounced Bram ha, so here we
have two other sounds, so the same thing doesn't apply
re Ma. But Brih means expansive.
Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
--- Wim Borsboom <aurasphereATnospamhome.com> wrote:
> Dear Tony
>
> I will probably sound like an asshole in this post ,
> well so be it...
>
> You wrote:
> >Perhaps terminology is important, it seems to be on
> >here!!! Kundalini, Sakti, Prana etc.
>
> You are right, you aren't afraid of throwing those
> words around ... The
> Sakti/ Prana thing, Chitrni Nadi.... Many of your
> posts are a pretty good
> florilegium of Buddhist/Hinduist terms. (Mixed bag
> actually)
>
> > Here is Aurobindo's *ashram* translation.
> > maya signified originally in the Veda the
> > comprehensive and creative knowledge, wisdom that
> is
> > from of old, afterwards taken in
> > its second and derivative sense, cunning, magic,
> > illusion; phenomenal consciousness, the power of
> > self-illusion in brahman.
> <snips>
>
> As you are quoting Aurobindo's ashram, here is
> Aurobindo's own take on maya
> from his "Synthesis of Yoga" Not the ashram's, which
> is too often confused
> itself in understanding Aurobindo and the Mother.
>
> Maya
> 1."Phenomenal consciousness"
> 2."Wisdom-formation of the eternal."
> 3."Illusion; unreality."
> 4."The power of self-illusion in Brahman."
>
> "Maya in its original sense meant comprehending and
> containing consciousness
> capable of embracing, measuring and limiting and
> therefore formative."
>
> "It is that which outlines, measures out, moulds
> forms in the formless,
> psychologises and seems to make knowable the
> Unknowable, geometrisises and
> seems to make measurable the limitless."
>
> "Later the word came from its original sense of
> knowledge, skill,
> intelligence to acquire a pejorative sense of
> cunning, fraud illusion and it
> is in the figure of enchantment or illusion that it
> is used by the
> *philosophical* systems."
>
> BTW, The word 'illusion' in 'self-illusion in
> Brahman' does not mean the
> same as our current *psychological* view of
> 'self-illusion in Human' :-)
>
> Brahman (Aurobindo again):
> "He is able to conceive Himself from multiple
> centres in multiple forms from
> which and upon which flow multiple currents of
> energy seen by us as action
> or play of forces. Maya is self-conception"
>
> Notice that the word that Aurobindo uses is
> self-*con*ception not
> "self-*de*ception" (The way we popularly understand
> the deceptive nature of
> illusion.)
> Illusion in Aurobindo's view still has the original
> sense of turning energy
> into light, a stage in the formative and creative
> functionality of Brahman.
>
> Energy>Light>Form>Matter
>
> 'Brahman-maya' (Aurobindo again):
> "The divine's power of formation."
>
> You wrote:
> > I split Maya into its original sounds Maa and Yaa
>
> As we are now splitting hairs, my God, we sound more
> like a bunch of
> pharisees and scriptologists, the ones Jesus had to
> be confronted with so
> much.
> A word lover you are (like me I guess).
> A philologist you are not:
>
> >I split Maya into its original sounds Maa and Yaa
> >Ma being the sound of the primeval Mother <snip>
> >Ya you will find in yantra or tool.
> >So here we have maya 'the tool of Ma'.
> > Which is I believe close to the original meaning.
>
> Which is what again?
>
> Let's see what we can make of Brahma...
> (Me trying to be humorous, but it comes off as
> sarcastic I am afraid.)
> I split Brahma into its original sounds of Brah and
> Maa
> Ma being the sound of the primeval Mother
> In Dutch we say "Moo"
> So here we have Brah as an expression of Ma or vice
> versa
> Which is the sound of one bull mooing.
> Which is I believe close to the original meaning.
> :-)
> Which is what again?
>
> From another post:
> > It's a product of Maya, IT IS NOT. It is only
> > thought, withdraw from and go beyond thought.
>
> How did you figure this out? You must have lost your
> mind, figured this out
> thoughtlessly, found your mind again and found it
> worthy enough to use your
> thought processes to set these thoughts of yours
> down. In fact inviting us
> to use our thoughts to process your thoughtless
> discovery and then blaming
> us for using any thoughts at all...
>
> There is something awry, it seems...
>
> Last night I did an experiment, I actually withdrew
> from and went beyond
> thought, thereby predating your 'Universe' post. I
> can do that easily, I am
> good at that. What came out this time was a mix of
> unrelated word streams
> and neat and clear sentences... all verbalized. I
> was quite amazed.
> Then I did another experiment, I actually joined up
> with the thoughts that
> were incited by those words and sentences and went
> into deep thought... I
> found out which words were unrelated garbage and
> which made sense...
> Then I did another experiment, I quietened my mind
> 'til my thoughts vibrated
> at a very quiet rate..., just the brain waves...from
> silence and in
> silence...
> I heard the sound of one...
>
> I'm satisfied, I've succeeded in sounding like an
> asshole. :-)
>
> Love,
> Wim
>
>
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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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