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Recieved: 2000/03/02 01:55
Subject: Re: [K-list] Maya
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/03/02 01:55, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
From: "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Dear Loulou and Magne Aga et al.
Loulou wrote:
> If you say that only something eternal, unchanging is real, as the wise
> men tell us, then Maya is an illusion.
Magne wrote:
>Exactly! I do not prefer the translation of Maya as *illusion*. It's
>literal meaning is *measure*, and it's even related to these english word
>("måle" in Norwegian) and *meter* (which we use in Europe, instead of
>feets). Maya is *relative measurements*
>Secondly, even Einstein didn't mean that *everything is relative*, because
>relativity ipso facto implies relative according to something NOT relative!
This, Magne, you may have to review, I do not think that Einstein was as
bold as stating what you say. He would have liked to, I am sure. In my
understanding he still meant that relativity expresses reciprocal or at
least mutual relationships. In his disagreement with Heisenberg he wanted to
hold on to the absolute, he did not want to admit to the uncertainty
principle, but by trying to disprove it, he in fact set the stage to prove
exactly the opposite. It culminated through the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen
paradox, Bell's inequality, wave/particle experiments as originated by Alan
Aspect.
The measuring stick, the measurer and the measured indeed influence each
other mutually and reciprocally...the output is in fact more than just
relative, particles tunnel as waves the limitations of time and space. Even
simple observation influences the result. I do not think that Einstein
thought that he had discovered the absolute, he was trying to but he
failed, and could hardly admit that. Even the speed of light was essentially
not absolute in his view. There is quite some new thinking on this (Roger
Penrose et al.) Yes there is faster than light stuff, actually speed and
time do not come in there.
Why writing about this in a Kundalini list?
Phenomena as 'discovered' in these scientific experiments have been
predated, experienced and corroborated by people who went through
Kundalitenment :-). hehehehe
The divine identity as actualized in the human identity allows this
fantastic play of consciousness... God/Human??? Indeed!
Like I wrote before, Maya did get the meaning of illusion only recently
(some 500 years). If one wants to understand the old scriptures
(forget the commentaries) and liberated beings of old and current (those are
not necessarily 'wise' men) then one has to cross out the word illusion from
the Maya equation.
Maya indeed is a measure of relatedness, as the number or quantity
(rational number) that expresses the ratio of relationship between two
seemingly unrelated items. It measures a quantity. Over time, that
variable and measured quantity started to take on qualitative meanings e.g.
values became value judgements. The same way 'mores' (ways of doing) became
morals (attitudes). The value judgements then became 'entities' on their own
but in an illusion kind of way. Therefore the result of any measurement of
relationship is maya. A rational but not imaginary value(Notice parallels in
number theory). In fact we should use the Gauge Theory approach. Relativity
theory on its own is already outdated as such. To explain this fully would
probably be improper to this list...
In the gauge theory approach there is only unity with local and global
symmetries. The seeming multiplicity of things is a result of the
energy/matter transformation which creates time and space, space/time.
Would love to get into this deeper, will see.. Ah Divine play....Lila...
Got to go, visit Angelique in real life...
Love,
Wim
To see some of my files you might be interested in:
http://www.onelist.com/files/Kundalini-Gateway/Wims/
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