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Recieved: 2000/01/25 12:22
Subject: Re: Avatars (was: [K-list] That S.B. again. D.Bailey.)
From: Jon-Carl Lewis
On 2000/01/25 12:22, Jon-Carl Lewis posted thus to the K-list:
From: "Jon-Carl Lewis" <jclATnospamswcp.com>
I'm inclined to agree with your comments, Michael, especially the one's I've snipped below.
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On 1/25/2000 at 7:54 AM MHortlingATnospamaol.com wrote:
>From: MHortlingATnospamaol.com
>
>a.) If we feel in tune with our spiritual side, there'll be that inner
>feeling of connectedness to the All That Is, which is a milder, maybe
>slightly restricted form of "avatarness" (or should I say "avatarity")
Yeah! YEAH!
And I'm tired of someone else telling me what the value of my experience is with the numinous -- as if they could.
>b.) If we really delve deeply into this issue ( and if the crown chakra isn't
>closed), we'll eventually conclude that, since we're ONE in consciousness,
>that which IS in the avatar is just the same as that which IS in me & you.
>So, on this level of perception, we already "become" the avatar - or we
>actually were the avatar all the time in the first place without noticing it
>!
Which seems to be the point of lots of esoteric teachings -- until the disciples get hold of it and try to make the teaching more restrictive.
>c.) Since it's all ONE under the surface, there can't be many avatars or
>kundalites or whatever - just one big, rolling and roaring wave with
>billions of little droplets in it.
Nice image.
>d.) "Incarnation" and "unincarnation" are only more divisions into
>multiplicity -
>just as "avatar" and "non-avatar". It's the dictatorial left-brain or ego,
>screwing us into believing something which is essentially untrue. This
>mechanism can be seen from other angles as well, I think G.I. Gurdijeff for
>instance called it the "kundabuffer" or something like that. In India of
>course, the whole phenomenon is described as the "Veil of Maya".
Not sure I understand, but it seems right.
>d.) Who needs definitions anyway ? Dumb question, in order to think,talk and
>make ourselves clear, we have to differentiate, i.e. define. The price
>however is a moving away from the sense of unity into separation, limitation
>and the feeling of "many" and "different"
Yeah, why bother writing if words are flawed. Sort of suppresses the urge of spirit to communicate with and among humans when humans won't let spirit use words.
Not that spirit listens to grammarians and lexicographers.
>e.) May I be so bold as to rephrase the "In the end, we all are...nothing.
>(no-thing)" into "In the end, we all are ...one-thing" ?
And, uh, yeah.
> Ok, Ok, I can already hear the jeering of "Semantics, Semantics" and feel
>the impact of flying vegetables and ageing eggs, but please, believe me, I'm
>not trying to be clever here.
It's a shame to have to apologize for being clever as opposed to apologizing for being ignorant.
>I think the Self loves us all
Yeah me too, but it's really nice to hear someone like you say it once in a while.
>Michael
Thanks for making my day full and just a little bit more (dare I say? Spirit filled)
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