To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/01/21 21:43
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sexual allegations and Sai Baba re Angelique.
From: Wim Borsboom
On 2000/01/21 21:43, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
From: "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Dear Tony,
I do sympathise with your discoveries about Sai Baba and your way of dealing
with them... but I want to repeat: "One can not second-guess a guru."
This has nothing to do with blind faith...(as James, I believe, answered to
my post) (Sorry, James, if it was not you.) One should not have blind faith
nor should one second-guess... one should "recover trust in oneself and
one's fellows beings", and guru types tend to want to help you there, one
way or another and if not now, then later and... in unpredictable ways.
Gurus may be charlatans but in the sense of the 'Fool as the foremost
counsellor to a king"... These fools are gutsy beings, they lose their heads
if they are not foolish enough, and being foolish they have lost their mind
:-)
And to the question of what a guru is... Whomever a devotee calls a guru is
a guru... and the guru will eventually 'un-devotee' you... that is the task
the guru knows he or she has to perform.
Of course we do not need gurus at all....that is the whole thing... and
......................................................you have discovered
just that.
About Tantra... surprises only... Any loving thing that a human can do, in
any which loving form, AND when it has to do with reclaiming authentic love
is (or was) in a tantric book somewhere... Lots is lost in the translation,
and/or edited out by 'correct' commentators, or plainly misunderstood, just
this week I discovered another one of such gems. Oh, and if I ever wrote (I
don't think I did, but one does not know what slips the pen sometimes) that
ejaculation prevents a tantric break-through towards deeper realization...
not so... There is no need to transcend anything, the postponement of
ejaculation or as I said somewhere before, "Stopping before the
cock-a-doodle-doo" is a means to extend foreplay... a means to prepare the
body for ecstasy, which leads eventually to the RECOVERY of the state of
irreversible and unconditional bliss and glory, the enjoyment of one's
human/divine SELF. And such a person will enjoy physical love as well. I
know of some holy guys who discovered that belatedly... to the (sometimes
happy) surprise of their devotees.
Transcendence is a bad word... or did I just put my foot in my mouth?
Heavens, what is the problem then? Yes, the thing about abuse of power that
James writes about, manipulative power that is the problem... Abuse of power
leads to dependency, which leads to suffe ... which is illus... but I was
not going to repeat that anymore. If Sai Baba has consciously abused power
in order to subdue the freedom of fellow beings then he is not even a
charlatan... but do not underestimate the power of compassion that an abused
person will eventually muster and master...
Love, Wim
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