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Recieved: 2000/01/20 15:01
Subject: [K-list] Tantra and the rest.
From: Tony O'Clery
On 2000/01/20 15:01, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>
Namaste All,
Tantra is a very secretive sadhana, and is older than
the Vedas, older than Adam and Eve, for it is the
Continuum. Some Sadhakas follow a system that involves
use of the sex organs, Kundalini ojas etc, and this
is misunderstood by Westerners and Hindu
Fundamentalists particularly.
Not by all Hindus, the more enlightened Vedantists
are more understanding of what it is, even if it is
not their 'bag', so to speak, like myself. One first
has to understand that morality is relative to a
society and that there is ultimately no bad or good,
only that which achieves Moksha. This tantric system
is called antinomianism, pratilo-man, against the
norm, paravritti-inversion, Mai-thuna or ritualised
sexual intercourse.
Tantra is quite secretive but there are some hints,
starting with Siva/Sakti, quoting the Artharva Veda,
Magic-Conjuring, Materialisations,
Apports,Ateeta-Sakti-Hynotism,(mass hypnotism),
smoking Bhanga, Vijaya, (Cannabis).
Bliss is bliss, sexual bliss is fleeting but it is the
Sakti. This is why people are attached to it, it is
the nearest they get to the ecstasy, of Samadhi. It
is used by some tantric schools to induce sustained
ecstasy leading to a kind of Savikalpa Samadhi,
obviously not Nirvikalpa.
They say it is possible for one Tantrika Siddha to
raise entire humanity. This has never been achieved by
any Avatar or Divine Descent yet! So-Ham by the way is
a tantric mantra.
My guess is that these tales we hear, from time to
time, from all over, about strange group sex and dope
etc are due to this misunderstanding. Unless one can
take one's mind back before religion and even back
beyond the Tantric parable of Adam and Eve,( Kundalini
Serpent), back before right and wrong, one will not
understand any of this. Not all Tantra is overtly
sexual of course. What is good in one age may be the
reverse in another age, it is all relative. The big
block to understanding spirituality and liberation is
unnecessary fundamentalism. West or East.
There is a difference though between homosexuality and
molesting pubescent children of the same sex. Please
understand I am not condemning any group for sexual
preference except of course paedophilia. That is not
any kind of acceptable Tantra.
Love Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
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Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!
ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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