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Recieved: 2000/01/20 11:03
Subject: [K-list] Sexual allegations and Sai Baba re Angelique.
From: Tony O'Clery

From: Tony O'Clery <aocleryATnospamyahoo.com>

Namaste All,

Mystress Angelique wrote:->Really, accusing Sai Baba
of being a pedophile is just such a cliche
smear tactic that I am doubtful that these stores are
true. He doesn't
need
to collect the sperm of boys for power, 20 million
devotees is all the
power anybody needs.
  I think it's the same with Grandma Devi. Whether the
stories are true
or
not, they are gossip, and I prefer to open my
intuition and make my own
opinions of people rather than believe what may be
malicous slander<
promoted by an envious mind.<

Angelique, I thought like that also in the beginning
and fiercely opposed these guys, bluntly and rudely.
It is still on the yahoo site in my early posts,
tantric healing excuses etc, but after researching for
myself, I had to admit the Truth. Watching the sleight
of hand on some videos was one thing, but it indicates
dishonesty in a man who claims to be an avatar/God on
earth etc.

With regard to the sexual stuff; I personally know
some of the people making these assertions, and found
them trustworthy. I reserved all my decisions on this
until I heard from Larsson. He being such a big name
in Europe, and of high character and stature. If he
said it was so then I knew for sure it was.
Coincidentally I received emails from another source
that corroborated the story of the Swedish boy, so I
knew it was true. I also received other emails
pointing to the same thing.I was pretty well known on
Sai internet circles, unfortunately better known now!

The point about what is morality? Well Wim, Sai Baba
knows the morality of his devotees and he also knows
what he teaches in his writings, or whoever writes for
him.

I also know a little of the Tantra and pulling weenies
isn't in the book!!!! Rubbing in the cocyx area may be
or underneath, energising etc perhaps. There may even
be sexual intercourse without any attachment at all
and no ejaculation by the male. This is heterosexual
please note.

Sai Baba is not doing anything like this, oral sex
between same sexes isn't in the book either. It
usually has to be a male/female union of Sakti thing,
it is not just about raising kundalini as such. He is
just gratifying his desires that's all. Which means he
cannot be who he says he is, a realised avatar in
constant nirvikalpa samadhi. If he has but one desire,
even if it is to trick he is not realised, therefore
the whole thing is a sham.

Only one phony materialisation puts a lie on the whole
thing. I was with him for 15 years and spent time on
the ashram etc. He is a powerful astral being
collecting souls that's what!!!!!!

I know usually this kind of accusation is the first
one people levy but in this case many have gone to the
extent of preparing affidavits and he will be served
if he ever comes to the West. Check out these
urls....

  
http://eslvcr.fireplug.net/bcskeptics/sbmir/db-book.html

   It is a guy called Beyerstein it was part of my
overall research.

   http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/sathyasaibaba I
have a lot of stuff here!

   Http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/escapesai1.htm

   http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/kidsinsai.htm

http://www.sokaren.se/INDEX135.HTML

   http://www.nhne.com/specialreports/srsaibaba.html

   http://vclass.mtsac.edu:940/dlane/saidebates.htm

   http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/index.htm

   http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html

   http://www.danwinter.com/seemen/index.html

   Om Namah Sivaya..Tony.

=====
Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!

ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.

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