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Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
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By madammumATnospamptialaska.net
How's the flu?
By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Re: How's the flu?
By gillATnospamnimbus.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 15-Jan-2000 20:55:27 GMT
From: <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
Subject: Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
Magne Aga wrote:
> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
> of
> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
> you
> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
> these
> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
> same
> Chakra observes - and smiles.
Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
process, seeing you have been there.
>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
> into Norwegian!
May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
Or are they for personal use only ?
> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
> destroy
> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
> whether
> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
drop of water ?
> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
> refuse to prefer either.
I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
these concepts.
I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
Yes, that's what it feels like.
The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
to die, a leap to be leapt.
I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
may be. At any rate there is fear.
I have heard of others talking about this fear.
Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
giving up the little self is difficult.
In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
everything,
little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
squirms under the light of the
knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>But instead of beeing
> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
> never
> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
> the
> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
> *black magician*.
A fate worse than anything else ?
> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
> simoultan-iously.
> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
> during
> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
> books.
Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
> of
> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
> awake on even deeper levels.
Absolutely.
Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
while asleep.
Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
sleep.
> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
> Theta,
> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
> of
> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
> keep
> these fragments together.
So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
> life-force
> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
> during
> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
> Heart
> suddendly stopped.
That's what it feels like.
The energy which normally falls down through the different
bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
reenter the body.
> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
That's a beautiful image. :)
> The consciousness breaks through it's
> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
> consciousness
> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
over the abyss. :)
I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
OK, I'll sign off here.
Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
Best regards,
Amanda.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:20:07 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Fwd from Amanda: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>From: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>Subject: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:10:12 -0800
>Reply-To: mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
>X-Loop: 700002663
>
>
>Magne Aga wrote:
>
>> CRUCIFIXION-RESSURRECTION & POLARITY
>
>> The pituitary gland, in conjunction with Manas Chakra (Thalamus) - one
>> of
>> the secondary, esoteric Chakras in the head - is an OBSERVER. Everything
>> you
>> do, say, think, feel is observed. You live in happiness and Joy, and
>> these
>> Chakra observes and smiles.... You experience misery and pain, and the
>> same
>> Chakra observes - and smiles.
>
>Yes, this is how I experience this chakra too.
>
>I write to you because I would like some advice from you about this
>process, seeing you have been there.
>
>>What a coincidence it is, that I at the present
>> time translates the *Saddharmapundarika Sutra*, the *White Lotus >Sutra*
>> into Norwegian!
>
>May I ask where you're going to publish these translations ?
>Or are they for personal use only ?
>
>> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must die,
>> beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to
>> destroy
>> the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, or
>> whether
>> he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide therein.
>
>Is it as they say the entire ocean trying to fill up in the single
>drop of water ?
>
>> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must
>> emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and
>> refuse to prefer either.
>
>
>I think one may dive into the single concepts and tear the
>single concepts apart, thus avoiding the divisory aspects of
>these concepts.
>
>I must say I'm afraid of this abyss, or the vortex as it appears to me.
>
>> > Should he fail, through cowardice, in making these self-anihilation
>> complete, he is nevertheless pushed into the ABYSS.
>
>Yes, that's what it feels like.
>The process us unstoppable and it feels like there is a death
>to die, a leap to be leapt.
>I thought self annihilation was no problem, but it turn out it
>may be. At any rate there is fear.
>I have heard of others talking about this fear.
>Maybe I only have a small fear, maybe this is not the final leap ?
>
>Or maybe the vortex is not really a vortex but a little step ?
>
>Even though I deeply feel that the Self is always present,
>giving up the little self is difficult.
>
>In sleep, the little self encounters the big Self and even though
>they are the same, big Self is so big and sees and is
> everything,
>little self tries to hide from this infinite presence,
>squirms under the light of the
>knowledge of the big Self like a fish on land
>
>It is worse knowing that self may be pushed across the abyss
>even when not wanting to. I feel camped up by the abyss and
>trying to stall, but unable to go back where I came from.
>
>Maybe this is all ritualistic resistance ?
>
>>But instead of beeing
>> reborn from the tomb on the other side, in order to be one Self as one
>> never
>> have been before, he DIVES into the ABYSS, hiding the elements around
>> the
>> Ego as if isolated from the Universe, and becomes a *dark brother*, a
>> *black magician*.
>
>A fate worse than anything else ?
>
>> During meditation, the brain emanates Beta and Alpha waves
>> simoultan-iously.
>> Further, the amounts of these brainwaves are twice the strength than
>> during
>> ordinary dreaming and the awake state. Therefore, the Maharishi movement
>> talks about *resting clarity* during TM as *the fourth state of
>> consciousness* (actually the FIFTH), *turiya*, mentioned in the vedic
>> books.
>
>Is this the state of absolute consciosness ?
>
>> It's well-known how the Shamans of ancient cultures developed the *art
>> of
>> dreaming* - beeing conscious during dreaming. But the consciousness can
>> awake on even deeper levels.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Consciousness in dreams may be involved with the dreaming,
>then it is lucid dreaming I believe.
>When consciousness stands by itself outside the dreaming,
>witnessing the unlimited thoughts, then this is meditation
>while asleep.
>Instant awakening if necessary is possible from this consciousness
>sleep.
>
>> Without the UNITY between the pineal and the pituarity glands, the
>> connection between the assemblage points on the three levels (Delta,
>> Theta,
>> Alpha) would be broken, and a split-personality case, *the three faces
>> of
>> Eve*, would emerge. It's only Spirit, the ungraspable I AM, which can
>> keep
>> these fragments together.
>
>So the small self /must/ merge with the big Self ?
>
>> >Just as the mystics in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome cleansed their
>> astral bodies for years, before *mirroring* it into the etheric
>> life-force
>> body - which was removed temporarily from the physical body just as
>> during
>> *death* - such was it during my first Initiation (Birth), these ritual
>> Invocation of the Fire in the middle of the night, that my Breath and
>> Heart
>> suddendly stopped.
>
>That's what it feels like.
>The energy which normally falls down through the different
>bodies and energetic levels is funnelled back up into a
>higher energy body and the breath and heart stops.
>
>When the funnelling of energy away from the physical body
>stops, the heart starts again and the mind is allowed to
>reenter the body.
>
>> >The second Fire is called Jivatman (Spirit of Life), and it's meditative
>> symbol is an *unmoveable, dark-blue flame from a lamp of oil*.
>
>That's a beautiful image. :)
>
>> The consciousness breaks through it's
>> limits to the divine and mighty I AM THAT I AM, which is neither form,
>> breath, thoughts or feelings, but a wonderful PEACE transcending the
>> language. The expansion is so intense that one discover that one never
>> before has known oneself. Everything which was considered as
>> consciousness
>> before, is subconscious compared to the presence of I AM.
>
>I'll take that as a small antidote against my fear of the leap
>over the abyss. :)
>
>I think I'm afraid of the I AM which stands alone.
>For the small self, standing alone equals loneliness.
>Of course, it cannot be like this as I AM is pure consciousness,
>but again, small self makes ritual resistance.
>
>OK, I'll sign off here.
>
>Hope you will get back to me on this, Magne.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
>
>Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
>kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
>_____________________________
>Check out the new and improved Topica site!
>http://www.topica.com/t/13
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:20:13 -0900
From: roboGal <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
CC: CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM, ncndiscuss-lATnospamworldtrans.org,
Listening-lATnospamzrz.TU-Berlin.DE, hallofrecordsATnospamegroups.com,
fortressATnospamsnakecult.org, ARequiredCourseATnospamonelist.com,
macpplATnospamhomepage.com, BLOSSOMINGATnospamonelist.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: 15 Minutes Of Fame
Lists,
Next week is my week to compile a weekly paper we do here in southern
southeast Alaska. We've been doing it 15 months, with a largish local
readership, as well as a website on the www:
http://www.ktnmirrorimages.com
My boss is south on vacation, & - MY idea of publishing is to include
as much local issues, letters in general, poetry, cartoons, art; things
people *want* to read, not just fillers from ad builder.
next Tuesday noon is the deadline. I cannot pay anyone, but you will
be published in our publication, & I promise to send you a copy for your
resume!
I will eagerly await for backchannel submissions from people - be
creative!
yes!
Please, whatever you do, do not hit 'Reply To All' - but send only to me
at:
madammumATnospamptialaska.net
valerie
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:32:54 -0600
From: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
Subject: How's the flu?
I think from one of Angelique's posts, she had developed the 'real flu'
to explain her symptoms, at least she did say she had a fever.
Angelique? How is it coming along?
Anyone else find they really did come down with the real flu, or are you
still suffering this 'phantom flu' or 'spiritual flu', as I am? I've no
sign of 'real flu' yet at all, and my wierd flu like symptoms are
fading, the aching and soreness, anyway, though I'm still feeling pretty
drained and tired from it, just like after the real flu. I still suspect
mine is something I'm perceiving through the empathy from someone i'm in
connection with that actually has the 'real flu'.
Jenell
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:27:09 -0000
From: "Gill Collingwood" <gillATnospamnimbus.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [K-list] How's the flu?
Hi Jenell,
I haven't come down with 'real' flu, and I'm getting over the phantom
flu (finally); I never did have the aching, just headaches and
tiredness and quite severe depression, and a bit of a cold and a
sore throat. The physical symptoms (apart from the headaches)
went before the mental ones. In my case, I don't think it's empathy;
I've not been in close contact with anyone who's got *real* flu.
OTOH, who knows? I'm just pleased it's gone...
gill
> Anyone else find they really did come down with the real flu, or are you
> still suffering this 'phantom flu' or 'spiritual flu', as I am? I've no
> sign of 'real flu' yet at all, and my wierd flu like symptoms are fading,
> the aching and soreness, anyway, though I'm still feeling pretty drained
> and tired from it, just like after the real flu. I still suspect mine is
> something I'm perceiving through the empathy from someone i'm in
> connection with that actually has the 'real flu'.
>
> Jenell
>
> Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
> kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
>
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> Check out the new and improved Topica site!
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