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Recieved: 2000/01/14 04:33
Subject: Digest for kundaliniATnospamtopica.com, issue 27
From: Kundalini
On 2000/01/14 04:33, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:
-- Topica Digest --
Re: Really wondering By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Re: did everyone get this post of Amanda's?
By SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Flu By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Re: LouLou] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
By wynterATnospamone.net.au
Re: Really wondering By SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Oops
By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Re: LouLou] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Re: kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Re: Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Invitation to join my Kundalini-Gateway community
By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Moving the list.. By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Re kundalini,is it this, chakras,mudrasetc By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Re: Really wondering
By robert_weilATnospamscientia.com
Re: kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
[LouLou and Jenell] Re kundalini,is it this, chakras,mudrasetc
By wynterATnospamone.net.au
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:43:30 -0800 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
At 11:17 AM 1/13/00 -0800, SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com wrote:
>> Um.. before I mentioned being ill on this list, a quick survey of >> friends and another list rounded up about a dozen folks or more who've
>> suffered.. it's a spiritual flu.. yes, a planetwide epidemic. Misery loves >> company. :)
> >I wish it could do without me. :(
LOL!! Too bad, we need you.. :) Has anyone else noticed that it mostly seems to be the women who are getting whacked the hardest with this
stuff? Or is it that tough guys don't bitch? (no offense intended Robert, but you do have some lovely fem qualities..)
>> >and the urge to pop it with no luck for two weeks.
>> Pop what? >
>The joints in my neck. Ew... Ah so.. since a few folks mentioned suicidal impulses, I wasn't sure..
my brain is pretty fuzzy.. I went to the chiropractor before I got so sick, and I'll be going
again as soon as I am well enough to leave the house.
>yes, I can't get them to leave my presence....it's like divine cocaine in a way. People don't understand that it's not *me* they like...and if I
pull it all in and just be for a while they grow resentful of me. Ah well. >
No shit!!! The rage aimed at me by my ex-friend was a shock.. like a baby's blind fury at the breast being taken away, striking out at anything
within range... still so angry after 4 years!! I didn't DO anything to her, except to choose not to be around her crap anymore.
I also have been getting unfavorably impersonated in chatrooms for 18
months, now.. Someone is going to great effort to persuade the world I am a nymphomaniac Blow job queen who enjoys sex with animals.. I know about it
coz they give out my email address to their dupes, who write me looking for more of the same. Now the impersonator has added e-cards and guestbooks
to their non-traceable impersonation options... and is trying to start a catfight.
I'm at the point where I think I need to put up a page on my site warning people about the impersonator... bleah.
>Is it really, though? Or does normal life (physically and spiritually
speaking) after a journey through Hell seem so good that that's what we think? Same car with a new paint job?
My fuzzy brain cannot comprehend this.. can you explain in small words? Also, what were the three Runes? I drew Laguz at Solstice. I
associate the lake with the void. Blessings..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :) << I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. << -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:54:50 EST From: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] did everyone get this post of Amanda's?
Nope, sure didn't. I've been catching the responses to them, though.
Kimberly
((who's wondering if her K experience is now filtering her email))
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:56:03 -0600
From: Jenell CC: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Flu
I Had a terrible day, this is my day 'ff' from my shop, had to run
errands. all I could do to get even the most important ones taken care of, feeling worse all the time. Food tastes like wet cardboard. Those
that don't have this, hey, we aren't kidding. If it weren't for lack of actual 'physical symptoms', I'd swear it is the 'real thing', and as bad
a case as I've ever had. Dreading trying to work tommorrow. the burning soreness in my whole body has now expanded to include my whole head! My
hands and lower arms feel hot and throbbing, not like when i'm doing healing work, but uncomfortably so, like it feels when they tighten the
blood pressure cuff on your arm. I'm ready to try chicken soup and wellness herb tea! Anyone else discovered anything that seems to help
you feel better?
BUT, I have thought of something. Since it seems most of us with this ARE empaths, and there IS a lot of the 'real thing', the phsyical flue,
going around right now, is it possible that is IS something we are perciving from other people through our empathy, since most likely all
of us have SOMEONE in our life, with whom we have some 'empathetic connection', some contact with, that IS down with the physical flu? And
that we really are riding it out with them through the empathy? And if that, could this excessive heat and throbbing in my hands, which usually
get somewhat hot and throbbing when i do healing work, be the healing gift trying to kick in to work on this, not just in us, but those we are
picking it up from? Jenell
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:43:22 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
Subject: kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
Dear Jenell,
If you are getting Spirit contact, clairvoyance, precognition, awareness of
the subtle body/ys, chakras, all or any of that, or any other phenomena that are outside the range of "normal" experience, then you can safely say, the
chakras are open, or opening, and that kundalini is rising.
The terms, kundalini, nadi, sushumna, chakra, mudra, bandha, kriya etc. are all terms from Hinduism, from which Yoga arises.
Kundalini - kundalini is an energy that is latent in the body. There is
only one life-energy in the body, kundalini is an extra bit of the same life-energy, that is usually only experienced during sex, when it gets
released. This energy is not in the sexual organs, if it was it would be there all the time, it's not there all the time.
During spiritual practise (sadhana) in the East, kundalini is released. Released but transformed (usually). Not always transformed, but it doesn't
matter, sex is just an energy anyway. In the West we don't have their spiritual traditions, and kundalini is
released mainly in sensitive, psychic, people by accident. In the East, the aim is to send kundalini up sushumna which is the nadi
which leads from the base chakra (between your legs) to the crown chakra, in order to gain enlightenment (quickly). That's fine, they have a tradition
they can call on and gurus they can go to. We don't. A guru is just a teacher. Guru means one who takes away darkness.
Nadis are just the name for tubes, The tubes through which the energy of
the body flows. Chakras are like the energy receiving, balancing, expelling points for this energy. All memories are stored at a cellular level, but
it's the energy body which moves them in and out of our consciousness, so when we start to "awake" to some thing more than what we can experience with
our physical senses, when an energy starts to move in our bodies, it "resurrects", and I'm not being religious here, old memories, some good,
some bad. As the energy starts to move, as we become more aware of things other than
our physical bodies, psychic abilities blossom. By the way, why does everybody talk about the spine? The spine is part of
the physical body. So that's it. It's just a foreign language.
Mudras and bandhas are like locks or pressure points to affect the subtle energies of the body, to achieve a desired effect.
The subtle body is what keeps us alive, without it we would be dead meat, literally.
The chakras are the receivers, balancers and expellers of energy in the subtle or energy body.
The nadis are the tubes which distribute this energy all over the body. Kriya just means an action - can be just flinging your arm about- it's
nothing don't worry about it. Yoga can't bring enlightenment Jenell, all yoga can do is get rid of some
rubbish. Yoga maya means the illusion of yoga, thinking that practising yoga will bring enlightenment. It doesn't, if you think of yourself as an
onion, it just pulls some skins away. No practise can bring enlightenment in you, because there is nothing to be
given, it's all already there inside you, inside you are perfect. You just have to pull all the rubbish out of the way, that is hiding you from
yourself, and look. Love
Loulou Come on Christopher, tell me I'm talking rubbish. By the way chakras open
or opening is rubbish isn't it? If they weren't open you'd be dead. It's the awareness of them, your awareness of them growing.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:01:49 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: LouLou] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
At 01:43 PM 1/14/00 , you wrote: >Loulou
>Come on Christopher, tell me I'm talking rubbish.
And why should I tell you that, when what I read
was a basic, simple layman's (or laywoman's) guide
to understanding a lot of the mystical terms that
many people quote without understanding what they are saying
written concisely and with very little I would argue with ..
and the argument would be based on interpretation of words
not essence of meaning
In my humble opinion, there needs to be more written in this manner and in fact, I am in the process of doing just that ..
a simple guide to Kundalini written in plain english ... (for my website)
Christopher
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:34:59 EST From: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
> >I wish it could do without me. :(
> LOL!! Too bad, we need you.. :) Has anyone else noticed that it > mostly seems to be the women who are getting whacked the hardest with this
> stuff? Or is it that tough guys don't bitch? (no offense intended Robert, > but you do have some lovely fem qualities..)
My hubby's oblivious...so is his best friend...so doesn't surprise me. They are both manly men...
> Ah so.. since a few folks mentioned suicidal impulses, I wasn't sure..
> my brain is pretty fuzzy..
Gave up on suicide some years ago after surviving three "unsurvivable" attempts...
> I went to the chiropractor before I got so sick, and I'll be going > again as soon as I am well enough to leave the house.
Getting great massages from hubby on the neck. :)
> No shit!!! The rage aimed at me by my ex-friend was a shock.. like a
> baby's blind fury at the breast being taken away, striking out at anything > within range... still so angry after 4 years!! I didn't DO anything to her,
> except to choose not to be around her crap anymore.
In some situations with some people, that IS doing something. *shrugs* I don't like the situation either, but perhaps is a reaction that ties us to the physical because in some way we are attached to it.
> I'm at the point where I think I need to put up a page on my site > warning people about the impersonator... bleah.
If it's untraceable, and you've tried, I suppose that's the only thing you can do. Hugs to that part of you that isn't bulletproof...you are loved anyway.
> >Is it really, though? Or does normal life (physically and spiritually
> speaking) after a journey through Hell seem so good that that's what we > think? Same car with a new paint job?
> My fuzzy brain cannot comprehend this.. can you explain in small
> words?
Perhaps...I think I was saying that perhaps the "bliss" some people experience isn't some supernatural high or whatever...more like after the negative symptoms of k subside, normal life seems unreal, but it's really the same thing from a different perspective.
Also, what were the three Runes? I drew Laguz at Solstice.
They were bindrunes...the first, a combination of Uruz and Fehu, and upon researching they are traditionally associated as a powerful physical feeling...the second, a combination of Isa and Thurisaz...according to the one who gave it, a protection from blockages or the removal of them...the third Raidho and reversed Thurisaz, reverting to control of the Will.
I > associate the lake with the void.
When I try to get a feel for Laguz that's what I get too...but Thurisaz is always a powerful one...feels just like Thunder....yummy. :)
Kimberly
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:52:21 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
Subject: Oops
Dear List,
Hope I haven't offended anyone. I wrote this just after reading Jenell's post and then Christopher's first answer(I think). Didn't realise things
had moved on so much. Sorry Christopher. Loulou
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:59:00 PST
From: "Marion Hanvey" Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: LouLou] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
I've already apologised Christopher, you've probably not received it yet.
Loulou
>From: Christopher Wynter
>To: loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com >CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>Subject: Re: LouLou] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the >rest
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:01:49 +1100 >
>At 01:43 PM 1/14/00 , you wrote: >>Loulou
>>Come on Christopher, tell me I'm talking rubbish. >
>And why should I tell you that, >when what I read
> >was a basic, simple layman's (or laywoman's) guide
> >to understanding a lot of the mystical terms that
>many people quote without understanding >what they are saying
> >written concisely and with very little I would argue with ..
> >and the argument would be based on interpretation of words
>not essence of meaning >
>In my humble opinion, there needs to be more written in this manner >and in fact, I am in the process of doing just that ..
>a simple guide to Kundalini written in plain english ... >(for my website)
> >Christopher
> >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:53:53 -0600 From: Jenell
CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
Marion Hanvey wrote: >
> Dear Jenell, >
> If you are getting Spirit contact, clairvoyance, precognition, awareness of > the subtle body/ys, chakras, all or any of that, or any other phenomena that
> are outside the range of "normal" experience, then you can safely say, the > chakras are open, or opening, and that kundalini is rising.
> (J)Obviously.
Now, question. While this 'big bang' opening, or awakening, happened in
the past few years, it is actually a RE opening for me. I had such abilties quite evident as a very young child, from as early as i can
remeber. For the bad reactions to them by those around me, the religious environment I was raised in, etc, I had aparantly mostly suppressed by
early teens. Howver, even so, 'remarkable', downright clearly 'supernatuaral' incidents, usually in context of emergencies, times of
need or crisis, etc, presence of guidance outside of myself, etc, were a part of my 'nornal' life. I could tell others of one or two incidents,
hery, they could handle that, lots of people have one or a few in their lives, but when I kept laying them out, people found it too much, it
because not beleivable to them. Things like experiencing 'another being' take over my ations, my own mind 'stepping aside', in the split seconds
of a hight spped multi vehicle pile up on a rain slick freeway, a dream about a house i wasn't to actually see for sime weeks, that, when I
'recongnized' it from the scary dream, kept me from renting it, shortly after, people died in that house due to carbon monoxide from the heating
system, sometimes 'hearing' words in my mind I knew were not 'mine' that guided, explained, instructed, warned, etc, me. I have always seemed a
very bold, fearless woman, I now realize it's becasue even suppressed, I still had something of a 'sensing' system that kept me aware of safety
or danger in my surroundings, etc.
i also now realize the empathy and telepathy were already there, all my life too, i just didn't recognize that, and know now that had really
worked havoc in my life, in personal relationships, all my life. Now that i am consciously aware of it, I can better 'protect' myself from
affects through it. such things as having had more than one occasion of my getting involved with men that even at the time, I didn't know why,
they really weren't men I particularly liked or admired, it seemed some purely physcial sexual thing. i now know that I have been, and am,
suseptible to being 'controlled, manipulated, influenced,' directly, by the thoughts and emotions of others, through my empath/telepathy, but I
didn't know that then, and of course, they didn't/do't, either. I mean that a man's desire for me, sexual and possessive, would be percived by
my empathy, and I responded to it, not knowing it wasn't originating in me. Does that make sense?
Now, the ability to CONVEY energies to others, such as through healing
effrots, and what i call 'shaktipat', is aparantly recent in development, the past 3 to 4 yrs. I had gone through a 'strange
euphoric' period about 20 yrs ago, and that's when the guided and automatic writing began, and that itself I realized had been what a
dream i'd been having since age 5 was about. In it, Jesus was directing me to pick up plastic letters, like used on sign boards, and then
directing me to place them on a wall that was like a sign board, and for all my life to that point, it had frustrated me every time I had that
dream, that there weren't yet enough letters to know what He was telling me through them. 20 yrs ago, the dream came for the last time, in it, i
realized it wasn't what was in those letters that He meant to show me, it was simply that He would GIVE me letters, words. The guided and
automatic writing began at that time. In the dream, when I realized that, he actually smiled at me, his expression one of 'Well, you finally
got it!'
Over the next years, I wrote reams of stuff, both that instructed and explained, and often involved two way conversations, myself asking
questions and making comments, the responses form Him coming back to me through the automatic writing. 'We', me and the spiritual being I
recongize as my 'guide', through that means, 'talk' with each other. I had never heard of automatic writing at the time, was some years before
I learned others had experienced that.
Jenell
So, obviousy this all goes way back into childhood for me, the 'k' activity.
Jenell So, since this was present from childhood, it seems I either entered
this life, at birth, 'open', or it is connected to a death experience at 1 1/2 yrs old, when i fell into a lake and was under water for at least
20 minutes. anyway, the question here, obviously, my 'awakening', or at least my first one, as a baby or child, isn't entirely related to having
worked through THIS life's inner garbage, so where does this place me in relation to that concept? Very definitely I've been working through some
heavy baggage of THIS life the past several years, since it REopened, but it was already open, or 'up and running', in me, aprantly, before
that.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:05:28 -0600
From: Jenell CC: Wim Borsboom , kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
I've already told you how importnat what you have in this post is to me,
i'm still studying it and finding new things in it every time i go back through it. but must comment on one i've just noticed. In the part
below, about the 'shift in polarity'. If you would, take a look at a post i made a few days ago, called 'shared writing'. It is a peice of
writing that came to me through guided writing, and within it, there is exactly that, a reference to 'when the polarity shifts', and 'when the
turn through the looking glass is come'. I wasn't entirely sure what that meant in that writing. I could see some meanings to it, but what
you've given in your post opens up a whole new direction in them. It can't be 'concidence' I wrote that as I did just a few days ago, and now
you have posted this. I thought you'd find this 'coincidence' interesting.
Jenell
> Magne Aga wrote:
> > CRUCIFIXION-RESURRECTION
> . The main result of these process, is > the *horisontal bar*, a certain connection between the pineal gland
> and the pituitary gland, which didn't exist before these process. The > two chakras in the heads establishes a new Ying-Yang polarity, the
> masculine and feminine aspects of the primordial force, *Father and > Mother*.
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Date: 14 Jan 2000 05:42:46 -0000 From: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Invitation to join my Kundalini-Gateway community
Hello,
You're invited to join a community I moderate called
Kundalini-Gateway. Here's a description of my community:
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:42:33 -0800 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
Subject: Moving the list..
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Hello my beloved Kundalites:
Well, moving the list seems to be an inevitability.. Topica does not respond to my requests for support so the new home of the K-list is
Kundalini-GatewayATnospamonelist.com.
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Kundalini-Gateway
My only other option for trying to keep the oiginal list-name was
Kundalini-listATnospamonelist.com but I took a short poll and we decided that looks silly.
I think Kundalini-Gateway has a nice ring to it, it was the original name of
the website Richard Satin created for the K-list in 1996 when it was new.. and I have registered the domain name of Kundalini-Gateway.org so that is who we
are now. :) The K-list is an org. LOL!! ... short for organism.. or maybe orgasm... or organic .. I guess
email is not organic but it can be orgasmic and the list as a group sometimes does seem
to be one large living organism. Organization? No, we don't have much of that,
at least I don't just now.. I need an "under construction" sign to stick on my forehead.
The problem I am having with moving the list, aside from only having two
brain cells to rub together, and aside from only being able to subscribe 100 people per day, is that the member list that I can download from Topica.com
does not specify settings. It does not tell me who is getting the digest version and who is getting the regular list.
I have imported 188 members from Topica.com so far, and will import another
100 members per day till we have all moved, but some members might want to go ahead and subscribe themselves.. especially if you are wanting the digest
version.
Especially since I'm running a fever and have no brain to even begin to sort out the memberships by hand. It took me too many tries just to count to 100
members without losing count and having to start over. I'd probably still be trying to count to 100 but I split them into groups of ten addresses each and
counted on my fingers... pathetic, eh? giggling..
This new list at present is set to be an announcement list only, so we don't get double postings during the move.. please continue to send your posts to
for the time being, I will make an announcement and unsub everyone from that list, once the move to the new host is complete...
and switch the settings over to make the new list a normal unmoderated list again
instead of an announcement list.
The move would be easier if I let onelist.com handle it, but they would probably shut down the Topica.com list and I don't want to do that yet because
esosoft will be forwarding members who inquire about the fate of to for a few weeks yet. I
want to be able to let members who still might be away for the holidays know where we got to.
The website at www.list-server.net/kundalini will remain. Esosoft no longer
hosts mailing lists, but it does still host websites, so I will be updating the
subscription webpage to reflect our new location as soon as the move to onelist.com is complete and I find my brain.
Amanda, if you still wanna rewrite the list guidelines, now is a good time
to do it..:) I did a partial rewrite when we moved to topica.com and I mirrored
the website on tripod, take a look. http://kundalini-l.tripod.com/k-list_f.htm
Those like you, who are not getting thru posting to KundaliniATnospamtopica.com,
please send your posts to me *telling me you want it posted* so I don't acidentally forward private mail, and adding your name to the subject
header so folks know who wrote it.. not me. That way you won't be left out while this
transition is happening.
That was too much thinking now I need a nap.... Blessings..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery << than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Hello my beloved Kundalites:
Well, moving the list seems to be an inevitability.. Topica does
not respond to my requests for support so the new home of the K-list is Kundalini-GatewayATnospamonelist.com.
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Kundalini-Gateway
My only other option for trying to keep the oiginal list-name was Kundalini-listATnospamonelist.com but I took a short poll and we decided that looks silly.
I think Kundalini-Gateway has a nice ring to it, it was the original name of the website Richard Satin created for the K-list in 1996 when it was new.. and I have registered the domain name of Kundalini-Gateway.org so that is who we are now. :) The K-list is an org. LOL!! ... short for organism.. or maybe orgasm... or organic .. I guess email is not organic but it can be orgasmic and the list as a group sometimes does seem to be one large living organism. Organization? No, we don't have much of that, at least I don't just now.. I need an "under construction" sign to stick on my forehead.
The problem I am having with moving the list, aside from only having two brain cells to rub together, and aside from only being able to subscribe 100 people per day, is that the member list that I can download from Topica.com does not specify settings. It does not tell me who is getting the digest version and who is getting the regular list.
I have imported 188 members from Topica.com so far, and will import another 100 members per day till we have all moved, but some members might want to go ahead and subscribe themselves.. especially if you are wanting the digest version.
Especially since I'm running a fever and have no brain to even begin to sort out the memberships by hand. It took me too many tries just to count to 100 members without losing count and having to start over. I'd probably still be trying to count to 100 but I split them into groups of ten addresses each and counted on my fingers... pathetic, eh? giggling..
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Amanda, if you still wanna rewrite the list guidelines, now is a good time to do it..:) I did a partial rewrite when we moved to topica.com and I mirrored the website on tripod, take a look. http://kundalini-l.tripod.com/k-list_f.htm
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That was too much thinking now I need a nap....
Blessings..
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8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :) <<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. <<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:43:27 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:14:24 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
Subject: Re kundalini,is it this, chakras,mudrasetc
Dear Jenell,
Just means you were born psychic Jenell. Everybody's potentially psychic,
but it's like being able to sing, some can just naturally do it better. (I have a terrible voice) The incident when you were a baby may have
kick-started it, but my guess is that you were born a natural psychic. Can you remember anything of psychic significance before your accident
as a baby? The stepping aside mentally and someone else taking over is a mediumistic ability. Did it feel like this person was inside your head sort
of sharing your mind-space with you? If so, it sounds like you were overshadowed, in an altered state of consciousness, and halfway to trance,
which is physical mediumship. It doesn't mean possession, nobody can be possessed, it just means this person blended their energy body with your
energy body very closely. When psychics refer to the aura, what they are talking about is the bit of the energy body they can see which extends
beyond the physical body. As to the unsuitable men, your knowing they were wrong for you, was your
intuition, your psychic ability again, and you ignoring it, was you ignoring your natural ability. I bet while you were saying "yes
yes", something inside was screaming "no no"! I don't believe everybody is born with mediumistic abilities, that's beyond
just psychic. Your receiving inspirational writing etc. is mental mediumship, which is not
so personally startling to the person on the receiving end of it. There's a more detatched feeling to it, isn't there?
So it sounds like k was running from birth, but you repressed it in your early years.
Being very sensitive to others emotions and thoughts is a psychic ability, the downside is it's not always very comfortable. You cannot be hard and be
psychic. Got to go now, if I've missed anything out I'll send it later.
(thoughts of chairman Loulou) Love
Loulou ______________________
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:30:45 +0000 From: Robert Weil
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
Apologies Angelique and the List,
Dashed this off yesterday eve, and sent it to Angelique by mistake, so now
it's possibly anachronistic. Never mind, here's the post... :-)
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:09:37 +0000 >To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
>From: Robert Weil >Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
>In-Reply-To:
>
>At 06:47 13/01/00 -0800, you wrote: >>At 10:09 PM 1/12/00 -0800, Jenell wrote:
>>>SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com wrote: >>>>
>>>> Count me in too... :) >>>>
>>>What have we got here, an epidemic?! >> Um.. before I mentioned being ill on this list, a quick survey of
>>friends and another list rounded up about a dozen folks or more who've >>suffered.. it's a spiritual flu.. yes, a planetwide epidemic. Misery loves
>>company. :) >>
>>>and the urge to pop it with no luck for two weeks. >> Pop what?
>> >>>The heat has been unbearable.
>> I'm loving the heat.. the heat is stable and relaxed.. it's the vibe of >>the chills that's had me concerned for my mind.. I'm not noticing pain..
>>getting endorphins instead, probably.. but the hypersensitivity and the >>mood swings .. oy
>> >>>Seems to depend on the people at each and how you look to them. One
>>>place told me i was demon possessed, another seems to want to have me >>>around.
>> I find it is the same. So much that I'm kind of a hermit... I think >>that to folks who want to grow and open to spirit, Shakti feels yummy..
>>those that don't want to grow, it pushes on their resistance uncomfortably >>and they blame/project it at the source ..Brides of Hades, we carry the
>>vibration of death. The wise know it is the doorway to the light, to >>rebirth and they draw closer but the fearful turn away cursing the demons.
> >
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>I want to share something which might relate to the thread (not sure)... >
>Dunno about others, been busy and not able to discuss much with ppl lately, had to do some major letting go after New Year. No fun, but oddly
felt cold shivers during and after, really deep within, chill mercury at bone level, felt like not my stuff as I was releasing attachments lovingly
and felt I was doing it right, but more the coldness implication of others' closedness in their Ways, which chilled me in my soul. I could not
understand why they had to maintain old knackered beliefs so stubbornly. That kind of feeling: not anger, a soul-level shudder at darkness that
brought deep sadness for all. Guess I'm getting tired of the divisions. Still not sure what that was about tho'. I had flu-type symptoms, but the
inner core was intelligent and a message from somewhere, I feel. >
>Maybe, as a friend once said, we're all very sorry and we just want to go home...
> >The released relationship with two of the ppl felt strongly karmic, and I
have worked out many things because of them. It has brought me to understand the illusory interplay of desires and perspectives, and where
compassion comes from. So why the shivers etc, when I'm just ready to move on? Maybe the lens of my experiences limited the impressions to just this.
> >Now the shivers are gone, I get SAD-type symptoms at present, possibly
grieving loss (or plain old tiredness), but the letting go was right in the circs. Retreat in response to closedness. I did have a kinda vision around
New year, plus a dream, in which the *purposeful* presence of angels (this is not my style, I hasten to add, perhaps that was why in the dream they
were dressed in raincoats and uniforms... :-) ) seemed everywhere, moving about the ethers. Thought it might be wishful thinking, but two unconnected
ppl I know well have seen a kind of silvery light sparkling all around, one said it was like tv static over things, the other saw it in trees. Anyone?
> >Might be a storm in a teacup, does this make any sense to anyone out
there? Or shall I book my rest cure in the nice white hotel? >
>Love >
>Rob >
> >
>All truth toboggans into know >And trudges up to ignorance again
> >e e cummings
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:35:01 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the rest
Dear Jenell, If I understand the end of your post right, you appear to say that k and
psychic abilities come as a result of clearing garbage, no no I never said that, and if I inadvertently did or appeared to I didn't mean that. If
there was no garbage to clear from this lifetime, we would have a clear channel yes? Zoom, right to the source. The garbage comes from the
interaction with other people, and the lifetime experiences we all have as we grow up and in our lives as adults. That's why we need to clear it to
get back to the source. Or at least have a "so what" attitude to it.
It happened, "so what", it's not there now. (Hopefully!) As to your abilities transforming and evolving, they will as you acknowledge
and work with them. I suppose that's why wise men say have the innocence of a child and the
intelligence of an adult. When innocence and intelligence go together a beauty dawns.
(Sorry to go back to yoga, but kundalini is an Eastern concept, or discovery, or whatever you want to call it.)
Anyway, I don't know what else to say, except that you're a highly evolved soul.
Everybody on the spiritual path is otherwise they wouldn't bother, they'd be out getting drunk. I still do that. Go out and get drunk.
Lots of love Loulou
>From: Jenell
>To: loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com >CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>Subject: Re: [K-list] kundalini, is it this, chakras,nadis,mudras,all the >rest
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:53:53 -0600 >
>Marion Hanvey wrote: > >
> > Dear Jenell, > >
> > If you are getting Spirit contact, clairvoyance, precognition, awareness >of
> > the subtle body/ys, chakras, all or any of that, or any other phenomena >that
> > are outside the range of "normal" experience, then you can safely say, >the
> > chakras are open, or opening, and that kundalini is rising. > >
>(J)Obviously. >
>Now, question. While this 'big bang' opening, or awakening, happened in >the past few years, it is actually a RE opening for me. I had such
>abilties quite evident as a very young child, from as early as i can >remeber. For the bad reactions to them by those around me, the religious
>environment I was raised in, etc, I had aparantly mostly suppressed by >early teens. Howver, even so, 'remarkable', downright clearly
>'supernatuaral' incidents, usually in context of emergencies, times of >need or crisis, etc, presence of guidance outside of myself, etc, were a
>part of my 'nornal' life. I could tell others of one or two incidents, >hery, they could handle that, lots of people have one or a few in their
>lives, but when I kept laying them out, people found it too much, it >because not beleivable to them. Things like experiencing 'another being'
>take over my ations, my own mind 'stepping aside', in the split seconds >of a hight spped multi vehicle pile up on a rain slick freeway, a dream
>about a house i wasn't to actually see for sime weeks, that, when I >'recongnized' it from the scary dream, kept me from renting it, shortly
>after, people died in that house due to carbon monoxide from the heating >system, sometimes 'hearing' words in my mind I knew were not 'mine' that
>guided, explained, instructed, warned, etc, me. I have always seemed a >very bold, fearless woman, I now realize it's becasue even suppressed, I
>still had something of a 'sensing' system that kept me aware of safety >or danger in my surroundings, etc.
> >i also now realize the empathy and telepathy were already there, all my
>life too, i just didn't recognize that, and know now that had really >worked havoc in my life, in personal relationships, all my life. Now
>that i am consciously aware of it, I can better 'protect' myself from >affects through it. such things as having had more than one occasion of
>my getting involved with men that even at the time, I didn't know why, >they really weren't men I particularly liked or admired, it seemed some
>purely physcial sexual thing. i now know that I have been, and am, >suseptible to being 'controlled, manipulated, influenced,' directly, by
>the thoughts and emotions of others, through my empath/telepathy, but I >didn't know that then, and of course, they didn't/do't, either. I mean
>that a man's desire for me, sexual and possessive, would be percived by >my empathy, and I responded to it, not knowing it wasn't originating in
>me. Does that make sense? >
>Now, the ability to CONVEY energies to others, such as through healing >effrots, and what i call 'shaktipat', is aparantly recent in
>development, the past 3 to 4 yrs. I had gone through a 'strange >euphoric' period about 20 yrs ago, and that's when the guided and
>automatic writing began, and that itself I realized had been what a >dream i'd been having since age 5 was about. In it, Jesus was directing
>me to pick up plastic letters, like used on sign boards, and then >directing me to place them on a wall that was like a sign board, and for
>all my life to that point, it had frustrated me every time I had that >dream, that there weren't yet enough letters to know what He was telling
>me through them. 20 yrs ago, the dream came for the last time, in it, i >realized it wasn't what was in those letters that He meant to show me,
>it was simply that He would GIVE me letters, words. The guided and >automatic writing began at that time. In the dream, when I realized
>that, he actually smiled at me, his expression one of 'Well, you finally >got it!'
> >Over the next years, I wrote reams of stuff, both that instructed and
>explained, and often involved two way conversations, myself asking >questions and making comments, the responses form Him coming back to me
>through the automatic writing. 'We', me and the spiritual being I >recongize as my 'guide', through that means, 'talk' with each other. I
>had never heard of automatic writing at the time, was some years before >I learned others had experienced that.
> >Jenell
> >So, obviousy this all goes way back into childhood for me, the 'k'
>activity. >Jenell
>So, since this was present from childhood, it seems I either entered >this life, at birth, 'open', or it is connected to a death experience at
>1 1/2 yrs old, when i fell into a lake and was under water for at least >20 minutes. anyway, the question here, obviously, my 'awakening', or at
>least my first one, as a baby or child, isn't entirely related to having >worked through THIS life's inner garbage, so where does this place me in
>relation to that concept? Very definitely I've been working through some >heavy baggage of THIS life the past several years, since it REopened,
>but it was already open, or 'up and running', in me, aprantly, before >that.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:19:49 +1100 From: Christopher Wynter
Cc: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: [LouLou and Jenell] Re kundalini,is it this, chakras,mudrasetc
Dear LouLou (Marion) ...
Yes I did receive your apology .. thank you ... and I also understand why you wrote as you did ...
Now, I am going to have some comments about this particular post ...
based on my experience ... and from my work which also involves children .. particularly ADD(h), Early Learning Difficulties, Gifted Children etc..
and a program I run in Tasmania called Hearing the Children.
If there appears to be passion in the words that follow, it is because there is passion in this work,
Teachers and Child Social Workers who have taken part in my program and have followed the same methods I use, have had
exactly the same results (statistically measurable) with groups of children as I have had with individuals.
From this experience, I know that for most, it is the traumatic repression
of the so-called psychic abilities of the child (particularly under 2 years of age)
that is one of the greatest factors in '"blocking the Kundalini"
A child "sees" more than just the physical .. a child sees the thoughtforms around everybody .. sees the energies of parents, teachers, etc ..
A child is born telepathic .. and can hear what the adult is not saying
and sees the lies as it learns to associate the spoken words and the deeds with what it 'sees' and 'telepaths'
We have two children in one group who have been with us from conception,
and we have learned from them over the last 3 years ... and as we start to accept their inherent knowing, we are often stunned
by the level of 'knowing' they have ...
Within the deep remembering, one of the common fears experienced during deep body remembering .. is the memories of the thought form projections
which they, as children, took on from their parents. A curse under the breath when saying "I love you" does more physical damage to the child
than if the words were not spoken and the curse was!
It is the remembering of these childhood experiences which I have found is often
at the source of "fears of psychic attack" ... because the child feels the attack of the
thought forms around it... even if they are not directed at the child itself, the conflict
between two adults .. parents .. also releases energy which attacks the child ..
and causes a damage which can manifest later in life.
At 07:14 PM 14/01/00 , you wrote:
>Dear Jenell, >Just means you were born psychic Jenell. Everybody's potentially psychic,
>but it's like being able to sing, some can just naturally do it better.
Everybody is born with it ... it is unnatural not to have these abilities ..
which are seen as symptoms of madness, evil, schizophrenia ... and made wrong by society, the church and the medical and psychology profession
One of the first and most commonly asked questions I have for my clients is
"who made your knowing wrong?
>(I have a terrible voice) The incident when you were a baby may have >kick-started it, but my guess is that you were born a natural psychic.
>Can you remember anything of psychic significance before your accident >as a baby? The stepping aside mentally and someone else taking over is a
>mediumistic ability.
It is also a reflection of the mother imposing her will and expectations on the child ..
either consciously or unconsciously ... it is in this way, the child takes on mothers behaviour patterns which run
her life ... thus the child is overshadowed first by mother, maybe to a lesser extent by
father ... if baptised ... by the church at baptism ...
by the medical profession if there were complications at birth ... and so it goes on ...
If the child is not given the opportunity to clear this stuff,
it will live its life wearing the masks of the overshadowing projected on it as a child ...
Often, the integrity, the innocence of the child is totally repressed by
this overshadowing because survival from the adult projections is totally dependant on them
taking on that adult overshadowing as a defense.
>Did it feel like this person was inside your head sort of sharing your
>mind-space with you? If so, it sounds like you were overshadowed, in an >altered state of consciousness, and halfway to trance, which is physical
>mediumship. It doesn't mean possession, nobody can be possessed, it just >means this person blended their energy body with your energy body very
>closely.
ie .. you are, until you take off the masks, already possessed ... and this will only leave you when the "still small voice" of the inner innocent is
accepted and heard ... and it takes an act of conscious will to remove the possession of childhood manipulation
>When psychics refer to the aura, what they are talking about is the bit of
>the energy body they can see which extends beyond the physical body.
external manifestation of energies that are not really yours .. a person fully immersed in the "no-thing" which is fully real in the whole
physical body gives off a colourless shimmering radiating from a deep indigo blue (the
black that is not black) core ...
>As to the unsuitable men, your knowing they were wrong for you, was your >intuition, your psychic ability again, and you ignoring it, was you
>ignoring your natural ability. I bet while you were saying "yes >yes", something inside was screaming "no no"!
>I don't believe everybody is born with mediumistic abilities, that's >beyond just psychic.
I have yet to find one that was not!
>Your receiving inspirational writing etc. is mental mediumship, which is
>not so personally startling to the person on the receiving end of >it. There's a more detatched feeling to it, isn't there?
>So it sounds like k was running from birth, but you repressed it in your >early years.
>Being very sensitive to others emotions and thoughts is a psychic ability,
the sensitivity comes from fear ...
when there is no fear, there is the awareness with no emotional response
I can sense the conscious and unconscious thoughts of others, often speak what another is speaking before the other can utter the words ..
I can feel what the other is feeling ...
and if the thoughts and feelings start having me .. I ask my body where the feelings are coming from .. and consciously (act of will)
merge then with the no-thing .. and ask myself for the source of the inner belief
which is causing this 'stuff' from others to stick ...
>the downside is it's not always very comfortable. You cannot be hard and >be psychic.
you can be totally unemotional .. not hard ...
and when you can get into that space when working with another, only then can you effectively communicate with the other without triggering
him or her with your own projections ...
>Got to go now, if I've missed anything out I'll send it later. >(thoughts of chairman Loulou)
>Love >Loulou
Christopher
ps .. I'm not starting an argument here .. what LouLou wrote
was the basis of my beliefs for some time .. and I went deeper because there was a conflict which was sapping my energy
and I wanted to know why ...
I was also fortunate to have a very good friend who pointed me first one way and then the other until I saw it for my self ...
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