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Recieved: 2000/01/13 05:53
Subject: [K-list] Really wondering
From: winter mute
On 2000/01/13 05:53, winter mute posted thus to the K-list:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:51:25 Jenell wrote:
>that is, are we really talking at all about the same thing when we talk
>of 'k' in context of what is invovled in deliberate practices, yoga
>excercises, breathing excercies, etc, and that which we call spontaneous
>'k' arousal? More and more i'm really questioning this, for my own and
>that of toehrs with spontaeous awakening seem to actually have little in
>common with what those using deliberate practices expereince. I've never
>had anything like what are called the mudras and kyras, things like
>'nectar' dripping from one's palate, talking about feeling k coming up
>oe or another different channel in the spine,
...
>which it seems is not usually a part of the experience of those
>deliberately practicing to 'raise k'. This doesn't seem to be just a
>difference in my cultural way of percieving it, or the words I would
>choose to define/describe, but a different kind of experience, period.
>
>I'm really wondering if we are really talking about two or even more,
>quite diferent phenomen?
Hi Jenell,
Since you are wondering...
and asking the entire list;
I can only give you my personal view on this...
from experience...
Everybody perceives the experience of
Kundalini differently.
It does not matter.
Kundalini is a manifestation of the all
encompassing Shakti, which is Shiva in
movement... which is Everything.
So your questions is difficult to answer.
Simply try and let things unfold by itself.
But I detect more subtle layers in your
question. Are you looking for affirmation ?
I wrote a lot the past days and you seem to have
specifially homed in on my posts in your
question, therefore:
I can only speak for myself, but
nothing of what I write about is "deliberate"
or "technical" in the sense that it has been
taught or is sought after.
In this life I know next to
nothing of formal meditation and have not
been taught it. In this effect, I do not
do any meditation.
I was also never taught
any mantra chanting, or energy / chakra work
or yoga at all and have a slight allergy to
altars and things like that, and hence do not
perform offerings or chant, meaning I do not
have any puja and in effect, no proper spiritual
practice.
I also have a slight guru allergy due to some
unfortunate experiences with gurus of the
past and so do not
have a guru in the ordinary sense either.
But the process takes care of itself and so the
energy is my guru.
According to some books, no guru,
no puja, no spiritual
practice should equal no good experiences
with K.
However, the energy allotted to me
is greedy, wilful and extremely
aggressive, a
fire path, and so it does what it does and
moves without much help at all.
By letting the energy work on its own,
there were suddenly chakras, all seven and more,
there were suddenly mudras and
spontaneous yoga postures,
enough to keep me occupied all night long
for a year,
there was suddenly one-pointedness of the mind
and meditation on emptiness, often
described and promoted in literature.
After K became overt, I was drawn to various
books, first to try and know more, then to
see that the various experiences passed by
to a large extent compared with what is
described in the books.
Of course, not everything is similar and not
everything the books describe have I experienced
and vice versa.
These books were written by someone and they had
their views and interpretations of it.
When wanting to communicate, one needs a
language and I thought using the language of
the books would be a good thing.
That's why words like mudra and chakra
and susumna are used.
Don't worry about what others are saying,
use your own words to describe what is happening,
if you want to.
Best regards,
Amanda.
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