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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:59:44 +0100 From: Deirdre Parker
Subject: Re: Digest for kundaliniATnospamtopica.com, issue 24
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I hope I am replying to the right place. Happy New Millennium!
On the choice of egroup server, or whatever it's called, I have no preferences so
long as I can still receive the digest by e-mail and add to it. I no longer have Internet access, only e-mail, so it is important for me to receive the digest, which
I find very helpful.
If anyone can recommend any other K e-mail lists that I could subscribe to I would be most grateful.
While I had Internet access, I found a web site that I would like to recommend:
http://www.SivanandaDlshq.org/download/download.htm
This is a web site which offers FREE on-line books on Yoga, Vedanta philosophy and
Kundalini. In my opinion, this is high quality information offered with no strings. I do not profit personally from telling you about it, except to be happy if it helps
someone in their spiritual search.
Here is an extract from the Kundalini book. The books have glossaries so you need not be put off by unfamiliar terminology.
"EXPERIENCES ON AWAKENING OF KUNDALINI
During meditation you behold divine visions, experience divine smell, divine taste,
divine touch, hear divine Anahata sounds. You receive instructions from God. These indicate that the Kundalini Shakti has been awakened.
When there is throbbing in Muladhara, when hairs stand on their roots, when
Uddiyana, Jalandhara and Mulabandha come involuntarily, know that Kundalini has awakened.
When the breath stops without any effort, when Kevala Kumbhaka comes by itself without any exertion, know that Kundalini Shakti has become active.
When you feel currents of Prana rising up to the Sahasrara, when you experience
bliss, when you repeat Om automatically, when there are no thoughts of the world in the mind, know that Kundalini Shakti has awakened. When, in your meditation, the
eyes become fixed on Trikuti, the middle of the eyebrows, when the Shambhavi Mudra operates, know that Kundalini has become active.
When you feel vibrations of Prana in different parts inside your body, when you
experience jerks like the shocks of electricity, know that Kundalini has become active. During meditation when you feel as if there is no body, when your eyelids
become closed and do not open in spite of your exertion, when electric-like currents flow up and down the nerves, know that Kundalini has awakened.
When you meditate, when you get inspiration and insight, when the nature unfolds its
secrets to you, all doubts disappear, you understand clearly the meaning of the Vedic texts, know that Kundalini has become active. When your body becomes light
like air, when you have a balanced mind in perturbed condition, when you possess inexhaustible energy for work, know that Kundalini has become active.
When you get divine intoxication, when you develop power of oration, know that
Kundalini has awakened. When you involuntarily perform different Asanas or poses of Yoga without the least pain or fatigue, know that Kundalini has become active. When
you compose beautiful sublime hymns and poetry involuntarily, know that Kundalini has become active."
Deirdre
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I hope I am replying to the right place. Happy New Millennium!
On the choice of egroup server, or whatever it's called, I have no preferences so long as I can still receive the digest by e-mail and add to it. I no
longer have Internet access, only e-mail, so it is important for me to receive the digest, which I find very helpful.
If anyone can recommend any other K e-mail lists that I could subscribe to I would be most grateful.
While I had Internet access, I found a web site that I would like to recommend:
http://www.SivanandaDlshq.org/download/download.htm This is a web site which offers FREE on-line books on Yoga, Vedanta
philosophy and Kundalini. In my opinion, this is high quality information offered with no strings. I do not profit personally from telling you about
it, except to be happy if it helps someone in their spiritual search. Here is an extract from the Kundalini book. The books have glossaries
so you need not be put off by unfamiliar terminology. "EXPERIENCES ON AWAKENING OF KUNDALINI
During meditation you behold divine visions, experience divine smell, divine taste, divine touch, hear divine Anahata sounds. You receive instructions
from God. These indicate that the Kundalini Shakti has been awakened. When there is throbbing in Muladhara, when hairs stand on their roots,
when Uddiyana, Jalandhara and Mulabandha come involuntarily, know that Kundalini has awakened.
When the breath stops without any effort, when Kevala Kumbhaka comes by itself without any exertion, know that Kundalini Shakti has become active.
When you feel currents of Prana rising up to the Sahasrara, when you experience bliss, when you repeat Om automatically, when there are no thoughts
of the world in the mind, know that Kundalini Shakti has awakened. When, in your meditation, the eyes become fixed on Trikuti, the middle of the
eyebrows, when the Shambhavi Mudra operates, know that Kundalini has become active.
When you feel vibrations of Prana in different parts inside your body, when you experience jerks like the shocks of electricity, know that Kundalini
has become active. During meditation when you feel as if there is no body, when your eyelids become closed and do not open in spite of your exertion,
when electric-like currents flow up and down the nerves, know that Kundalini has awakened.
When you meditate, when you get inspiration and insight, when the nature unfolds its secrets to you, all doubts disappear, you understand clearly
the meaning of the Vedic texts, know that Kundalini has become active. When your body becomes light like air, when you have a balanced mind in
perturbed condition, when you possess inexhaustible energy for work, know that Kundalini has become active.
When you get divine intoxication, when you develop power of oration, know that Kundalini has awakened. When you involuntarily perform different
Asanas or poses of Yoga without the least pain or fatigue, know that Kundalini has become active. When you compose beautiful sublime hymns and poetry
involuntarily, know that Kundalini has become active." Deirdre
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:00:48 +0200 (EET)
From: Ville Vainio Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 scoopharATnospamaol.com wrote:
> I've read a lot about Kundalini and I would like to take classes. > Do you have any idea how I can find Kundalini classes in Washinton DC area?
In general, if one sees a class advocating k to the newbies, it can
generally be considered a fraud. Teachers that talk about k generally know nothing about it (except that it is cool and rad, like the other
sanskrit terms). If the word "kundalini" is used in a conjunction with some class/workshop/whatever, it doesn't mean that it had anything to do
with actual awakening of k.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio Wild geese have no intention to cast a reflection
Water has no mind to assume their form
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:30:21 +0200 (EET) From: Ville Vainio
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Christopher Wynter wrote:
> the most pressing of which is the problem that they have started
> to include banners at the bottom of their e-mails.
This is really annoying, IMO. My Vote goes for Onelist. I don't want to see the "unsubcribe from this list by..." either.
> The other problem is that if styled text (HTML) is used,
> this is regarded as an attachment, and thus messages using > html are not being displayed in either the digest ..
> or properly within the archives.
I think html shouldn't be used in emails... ditto with attachments (personal mails are a different thing). With character terminals both are
quite useless.
> Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to: > kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.com
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These are pretty annoying. Sigs > 4 lines are against netiquette. If the
info above absolutely has to be repeated over and over again, they should at least put it on 1-2 lines instead of 6. Eg:
Unsubcribe: send email kundalini-unsubscribeATnospamtopica.org
Keep up with breaking news! htpp://.....
But, since we have the option to avoid this, I suggest we return to Onelist...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:59:53 EST From: MHortlingATnospamaol.com
Subject: Kundalini Teachers & Organizations
Hello list & everybody !
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 scoopharATnospamaol.com wrote:
> I've read a lot about Kundalini and I would like to take classes.
> Do you have any idea how I can find Kundalini classes in Washinton DC area?
I can only agree with Ville's comment, although I don't think that all people/groups/teachers advertising themselves as kundalini-yogis deliberately
set out to be frauds. I think it's more a case of the blind trying to lead the blind.
A good example is the 3HO/Kundalini-Yoga group founded by Yogi Bhajan. From reading him, I'm sure he is (was?) "enlightened" with the full knowledge of
the workings and mechanics of kundalini - the problem is his organization that calls itself kundalini-yoga, claiming the name for itself and implying
that they teach the way to activating shakti. In fact some of their teachers don't seem to know anything at all about how and why kundalini happens, but
still believe they're practicing "kundalini-yoga" just because their teacher/master had gone through the experience.
In itself this isn't really a problem, the world as it is is full of
illusions, everything probably has its place in the Big Undulating Scheme of Things and interesting stuff can be learned everywhere. Let the buyer beware
however !
Deirdre mentioned the Sivananda organization - I have some personal experience with them . They run a beautiful ashram in the Bahamas and a very
nice one in Canada near Montreal, with healthy cooking, yoga classes and meditation every day plus a cultural program with world-class artists and
lecturers. Very nice if one enjoys virtuoso Indian music & art or high-level debates on quantum mechanics and philosophy. It's a good place to learn about
traditional hatha-yoga and Indian philosophy, the atmosphere is quite orthodox and disciplined and the books written by Swami Sivananda and Swami
Vishnu cover a lot of yogic ground.
However, the teachings & general vibes of the organization are again based on the experiences and lives of the gone masters Sivananda and his disciple
Vishnudevananda. It's not a good place to mention that you have an active kundalini or that you may have even gone through phases of mystical
revelations and rapture - this seems to be reserved for deceased Indians in robes, preferably wearing beards & having spent years living in caves. (As
for kundalini-related problems - better go for a long walk in Nature ....)
And anyway the whole student-teacher structure breaks down if "students" suddenly start having real spiritual experiences - other students and most
"teachers" don't really like this, since the taken-for-granted roles and identities are rattled.
Michael
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:11:14 PST From: "Marion Hanvey"
Subject: Yogi Bhajan
Michael,
Is Yogi Bhajan dead?
Love Loulou
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:52:44 PST
From: "Marion Hanvey" Subject: Chakras
Dear List,
My throat chakra is opening. (Think someone mentioned that on the list. I'm not being rude about not remembering who - lost letters)
It's not roaring like the person who wrote about it. I don't notice it unless I go into a slightly meditative state, then it's obvious. Energy is
going in and out of my body through my throat. Also there is a nadi connecting one of the lower chakras to the throat chakra. Think someone
mentioned this too. The nadi is not in the body but in front of it - sort of like a bow - from lower chakra to throat chakra.
Don't know whether it's base chakra or 2nd chakra because I never took that much notice of it, but thinking about it 2nd chakra seems more likely
(because it's not coming from between my legs but sort of just above the pubic bone) I'm not that well up on the chakras even if I did once read
"The Serpent Power". Anyway, what I am writing for is to ask if anybody knows anything about them
because I seem to have acquired one or two on my head too. (Obviously not sahasrara. OBVIOUSLY)
The first one I noticed is at the crown of my head. You know where your hair starts to swirl towards the back of the crown, well there only in the
middle. The other one is more towards the front of the top of the head, but off-centre to the left. Think I might be acquiring a matching one on the
right as well. They're only small. Does anybody know anything about them?
Maybe they're just holes for my brains to escape! I thought the post about the classical signs of active kundalini shakti was
dead, dead good by the way, although I haven't read the attachment yet.
Lots of love Loulou
P.S. Had another threatening message from Hotmail today. I'll re-read Jacques post. Does all that apply to Hotmail Jacques?
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:25:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Tony O'Clery Subject: Still getting over Sai Baba.
Namaste All,
Well I'm almost sane again , feeling like I used to, after 15 years with the Sai Baba thing? However I
notice that I am still a little dysfunctional. I have exhausted some stuff by posting on another site, it is
a safety-valve. However the impressions on the mind are deep, and necessitate vigilance of thought. I
have replaced my mantra with another I used secondarily: It seems easier to replace a thought
than erase it, which isn't possible. It is a real push to me though, to feel more the 'formless',
though there are still things to work through. I have some guilt for influencing others and there are other
negative emotions as well. I'm afraid I was suffering from, 'true believer syndrome'.
I now have to wonder 'who' this was all happening to
and why? Who had this experience who suffered this pain? How these concepts could hurt another concept?
However after some weeks my meditation seems to be getting back to normal and I am happy about that. But
something wakes me from it, perhaps because I like it there. It is a great lesson in that the mind takes it
own path and goes its own way. If one identifies with that then one feels that. More observing the mind is
in order, but that is the difficulty and there are still the samskaras from this experience.
My feelings about Sai Baba run from resentment to some
extent, to wishing to forgive for my hurt, but his activity still continues. I suppose I am trying to
let go of residual attachments/samskaras. I have to rise above it all! This it seems I have to work
through but not become to attached to it. At least I didn't think he was God separate from myself, my
aspiring adwaitin/jnani path must have saved me from worse damage. I feel so sorry about the
devotees/bhaktas. I was 15 years in a mental jail without sentence, a surprise lesson on the mind and
its vagaries. Who am I? And who did this happen to? Who received this pain?
Love and Om Namah Sivaya….Tony.
===== Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!
ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:01:27 EST From: CrushinMunchkinsATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini
I don't understand, the way you have writen this it sounds like Kundalini
cannot be taught to anyone or by anyone.
< In general, if one sees a class advocating k to the newbies, it can generally be considered a fraud. Teachers that talk about k generally know
nothing about it (except that it is cool and rad, like the other sanskrit terms). If the word "kundalini" is used in a conjunction with
some class/workshop/whatever, it doesn't mean that it had anything to do with actual awakening of k. >>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:13:18 +1100 From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: RE: [K-list] Kundalini
At 10:02 AM 13/01/00 , you wrote:
>I don't understand, the way you have writen this it sounds like Kundalini >cannot be taught to anyone or by anyone.
Kundalini cannot be taught ...
kundalini is a symptom
of the remembering of the truth of you
as it moves through the body clearing the holding patterns of the memories
that see your body in the form it is ..
sort of like a taut and twisted elastic band unravelling when it is let go
yet the kundalini that can be written about
is not the true Kundalini
Christopher Wynter
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:59:38 EST From: CrushinMunchkinsATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini
In a message dated 1/12/00 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
wynterATnospamone.net.au writes:
< Kundalini cannot be taught ... kundalini is a symptom
>> I think that our lines are just crossed. By "taught" I mean that you are
taught how to access those symptoms, how to make the kundalini rise much like you have discribed as an elastic band unraveling when you twist it (good
discription by the way, I like that) or as I have read about the snake that uncoils from the base of the spine. The teaching that I speak of is the
comunication from one person to another of proper breathing techniches, rythmic movements, meditations, postures and exercises that one uses in order
to raise the kundalini.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:42:24 -0600
From: Jenell Subject: Really wondering
I've had others rasie this question to me, and it's getting to be ore of oe for me all the time.
that is, are we really talking at all about the same thing when we talk
of 'k' in context of what is invovled in deliberate practices, yoga excercises, breathing excercies, etc, and that which we call spontaneous
'k' arousal? More and more i'm really questioning this, for my own and that of toehrs with spontaeous awakening seem to actually have little in
common with what those using deliberate practices expereince. I've never had anything like what are called the mudras and kyras, things like
'nectar' dripping from one's palate, talking about feeling k coming up oe or another different channel in the spine, I've never had any
awareness of it specifically coming up my spine at all, never had 'light shooting up my spine', or out the top of my head, etc etc. Yet I've
experiences flow of powerful energies, shakti as it seems to be called, paranormal phenomenon, psychic expereiences, experienced transformation
and enlightment in various ways, and by various means, including 'hearing' voices that instruct and teach, sometimes convey information
aparantly from deceased people even, awareness in various ways of 'spiritual entities', spiritual beings, with too much 'verification' of
their 'presence' to dismiss as just my imagination or hallucinations, visions and dreams, 'messages through signs', or synchronicities, etc,
which it seems is not usually a part of the experience of those deliberately practicing to 'raise k'. This doesn't seem to be just a
difference in my cultural way of percieving it, or the words I would choose to define/describe, but a different kind of experience, period.
I'm really wondering if we are really talking about two or even more,
quite diferent phenomen? Jenell
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:56:17 +1100 From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Re: [K-list] Kundalini
At 11:01 AM 13/01/00 , you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/12/00 3:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, >wynterATnospamone.net.au writes:
> >< Kundalini cannot be taught ...
> kundalini is a symptom > >>
> I think that our lines are just crossed. By "taught" I mean that you > are
>taught how to access those symptoms,
yes ...
>how to make the kundalini rise much like >you have discribed as an elastic band unraveling when you twist it (good
>discription by the way, I like that) or as I have read about the snake that >uncoils from the base of the spine.
you cannot manipulate this .. it was the control and manipulation
which saw the elastic band screwed up in the first place ...
>The teaching that I speak of is the >comunication from one person to another of proper breathing techniches,
>rythmic movements, meditations, postures and exercises that one uses in order >to raise the kundalini.
In my experience, these are individual for each person ...
To start the process, I ask the people I work with who was it that taught them there had to be a "Proper Way" to do things ..
and then .. who's permission they needed to allow their own free expression ...
then the uncoiling becomes a matter of claiming back your power from these
people and allowing the untwisting within yourself ..
The other "teachers" become then ..
not an authority or teacher of a discipline
but a guide as to the explanation of the symptoms ..
and they cannot take the power of your "own salvation" from you... a friend ... sharing a path and the experience
the practices are then done for the practice ...
not for the purpose ...
the process is facilitated not manipulated
There are as many individual paths
as there are individuals
not as there are teachers!
Christopher Wynter
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:07:57 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter Cc: anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
Does the reply I just posed on list
help explain some of what you ask ..
I would be happy to answer this on list .. but specific answers could be quite lengthy because of the complexity of the
very valid questions you ask ...
In my opinion, Kundalini 'worship' has almost become a religion ..
rather than the individual expression of the manifestation of the truth of who you really are ..
and all of the individual experiences or symptoms
are merely transpersonal experiences which should be passed through as quickly as possible ...
to allow unfoldment which can not be a sought after outcome ...
because to seek,
you have must have a preconception of what you are seeking ..
and this is a limitation of the possibility
Christopher Wynter
At 11:51 AM 13/01/00 , you wrote:
>I've had others rasie this question to me, and it's getting to be ore of >oe for me all the time.
> >that is, are we really talking at all about the same thing when we talk
>of 'k' in context of what is invovled in deliberate practices, yoga >excercises, breathing excercies, etc, and that which we call spontaneous
>'k' arousal? More and more i'm really questioning this, for my own and >that of toehrs with spontaeous awakening seem to actually have little in
>common with what those using deliberate practices expereince. I've never >had anything like what are called the mudras and kyras, things like
>'nectar' dripping from one's palate, talking about feeling k coming up >oe or another different channel in the spine, I've never had any
>awareness of it specifically coming up my spine at all, never had 'light >shooting up my spine', or out the top of my head, etc etc. Yet I've
>experiences flow of powerful energies, shakti as it seems to be called, >paranormal phenomenon, psychic expereiences, experienced transformation
>and enlightment in various ways, and by various means, including >'hearing' voices that instruct and teach, sometimes convey information
>aparantly from deceased people even, awareness in various ways of >'spiritual entities', spiritual beings, with too much 'verification' of
>their 'presence' to dismiss as just my imagination or hallucinations, >visions and dreams, 'messages through signs', or synchronicities, etc,
>which it seems is not usually a part of the experience of those >deliberately practicing to 'raise k'. This doesn't seem to be just a
>difference in my cultural way of percieving it, or the words I would >choose to define/describe, but a different kind of experience, period.
> >I'm really wondering if we are really talking about two or even more,
>quite diferent phenomen? >Jenell
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:48:19 +0100 From: "Magne Aga"
Cc: Subject: Re: Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
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Dear Wim Borsboom....
Again, I am able to answer you. I'm extremly busy, as you probably = understand; I'm in a situation where EVERYONE think I can do EVERYTHING =
for them. Today, I have received 11 different phone calls, from people = with different problems. In addition, I've received faxes, sendt faxes =
and posted things on 3 local discussion forums, which - again - will be = received by Newspapers, local Politicians and even the members of our =
Government. It can be very EXHAUSTING spending so much time working for = human rights without any income, and broadcasting a message which the =
people in Power do not want to receive........
I apologize for the length of my posting, but I had to repost something = I once wrote, and later posted on these List, in order to save time.
On January the 5th, You wrote:
>Now Magne, would you care to elaborate on what you mean by the
>"crucifixion-resurrection Initiation".
+ + +
The *crucifixion* is the crossing out of the lower ego, The VIOLET FLAME = which burns old ties, and karma. The *resurrection* is the birth of the =
High Self. The *crucifixion-ressurrection* takes place in the chakras of = the head, when Kundalini in it's upwards movement reaches the pituitary =
gland or *Golgata*, *the place of the sculls*.
Although the Kundalini-Fire is conquered and controlled as it rotates = between the 7 chakras, it must be held consciously in the pituitary =
gland in order to cross out the lower personality or ego. When Kundalini = ascends these way, it has been symbolized by a water lever that raises =
from the lowest chakra to the point in the scull between the ears, and = crossing over the eyes. These *water-level* is also called THE ABYSS by =
Christians. The main result of these process, is the *horisontal bar*, a = certain connection between the pineal gland and the pituitary gland, =
which didn't exist before these process. The two chakras in the heads = establishes a new Ying-Yang polarity, the masculine and feminine aspects =
of the primordial force, *Father and Mother*. Furthermore, a third = connection appears with the *water-level* and the two throath-chakras, =
creating a *triangle* with it's apex in the throath (The *Son of God*).
When the Pearl of Compassion, from our Holy Guardian Angel, in it = DOWNWARDS direction HITS these bar, the *crucifixion* of the ego takes =
place. The horisontal and the vertical movements of energy forms the = *cross* of energy.
When the Pearl HITS the pineal Gland, it results in the *Sound of =
Creation* or "NG"-"AO"-"NG", the socalled *OM* or *AUM*. In the = beginning was - The Big Bang according to physics, The *Word* according =
to John, and the Primordial Sound according to Tantra. The End is the = Beginning. The crossing out of the lower ego is also the Birth of the =
Higher Self.
In the sanskrit version of the *OM*-sign, we see a dot (The pearl) above = a horisontal crescent. The crescent in reality symbolizes a BOW WHICH =
VIBRATES, a vibration caused by the *smash* of the pearl. And beneath = these crescent, we see 3 energies beeing casted out.
Instead of writing everything anew, in my present stressfull situation, =
I have found some remniscences of something I posted in May 1998, I = think, on the Kundalini-List:
> It was during my reflections over these fact that I wondered: "Is=20
> it possible that the forces from the previous Chakrams are being > multiplied, instead of just added to the sixth Chakra ?". Playing=20
> with these numerological reflections, a peculiar summary became=20 > the result: The numbers 144 and 144 000, which presents the sixth=20
> initiation, is the same as the number of the *elected* ones in the=20 > New Testament, those who have a *mark* on their forehead !
>=20 >=20
> CHAKRA / > SANSKRITNAME NR OF "BLADES"=20
> Root M=FBlad=E2ra, "the fundamental root" 4=20 > Sacral Sv=E2dhisthana, "Your own place" 6=20
> Solar Plexus Manip=FBra, "The home of the Jewel" 10=20 > Hearth Anah=E2ta, "The source of the sound" 12=20
> Throat Vish=FBddhi, "The purified" 16=20 > SUMMARY 48
> =20 > Third Eye Ajn=E2, "Control" 2 x 48 =3D 96=20
> SUMMARY 48 + 96 =3D 144=20 > Crown S=E2h=E2shrara, "1000 blades" 144 x 1000 =3D 144 000
>=20
And further:
> Upstreams and downstreams ... > Yang and Yin ...
> Ebb and Flow ... > Masculine and Feminine ...
>=20 > And when the two poles are balanced, another process takes place
>=20 > The sexual energy (Yang) moves upwards the spine. After having reached =
the throath, it moves straight forwards to the teeths (where, during = nursing, the baby=92s drinking of milk is our first positive Yang). Then =
it moves downwards, in its femine YIN aspect, on the front side of the = body to the solar plexus chakra (the region of the baby=92s umbilical =
cord in the womb). >=20
> During physical Birth, the Pearl of our uniquness, the pearl of the = present incarnation, falls downwards through the Bindu-point at the top =
of our head. And its entrance into our chakra system is solar plexus. = Therefore the sanscrit name Manipura means =93THE HOME OF THE JEWEL=94. =
The advaita school, therefore, refer to single incarnations as another = PEARL on a thread of pearls (sutratma), each representing qualities =
gained from incarnations. >=20
> From here, we shoot the Pearl of Compassion direct upwards, to the = non-duality point 1 feet above our head. The non-duality point is the =
THROAT CHAKRA of our light Body. >=20
> We shoot the Pearl directly upwards, a =93direct way upwards=94 to the = Ultimate Extreme Clear Light, seen after death.
>=20 > The ultimate, limitless, qualityless, light shines stronger than =
thousand suns. In these state of non-duality (advaita or Tao) there are = EMPTYNESS and the Ultimate Light.
>=20 > While the Pearl marries with the Crystal Clear Light, Kundalini, in =
it=92s upwards movement reaches the middle of our head, causing a = =93waterline=94 straight through the head, a =93waterline=94 unifying =
the pineal, the pituitary and hypothalamus / medulla oblongata = (Sahashrara, Anja, and Soma Chakra), THE THREE IN ONE, mirrored in the =
=93waters=94 in Blue, Green and Pink colours. >=20
> But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our old fragmented ego must = die, beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice is given, whether to =
destroy the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to Universal Life, = or whether he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and abide =
therein. >=20
> In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS THE ABYSS, one must = emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its opposite, and =
refuse to prefer either. Through Jnana Yoga - the meditation technique = called =93Antar Mouna=94 (Inner Silence), we self-destruct our =
limitations. >=20
> We must then decide upon the ciritical adventure, the absolute = abandonment of our glory and personal achievements. We cannot remain =
indefinetly upon the Pillars of Mercy, because these pillars (Ida and = Pingala) have become unstable, imbalanced. We are beeing pushed onwards =
by the irresistable momentum that have been generated. The old Ego = cannot guide us, it is beeing DIVIDED INTO THREE PERSONALITIES, and we =
must choose between the TRINITY of the White way, or a split personality = case as seen in *the three faces of Eve*
>=20 > While we make our journy ACROSS the waters, our Holy Guardian Angel, =
our cosmic mirror game centered in the 3rd eye, makes a movement in the = OPPOSITE direction. Our lower ego moves towards UNITY, the three in one =
(Thougth, Emotion, Will), while the Pearl of Compassion spinters = downwards through DIVERSITY.
>=20 > The blending of =93the two of us=94 (the one and the many), is the =
crucifiction-ressurrection initiation. Golgata means =93the place of the = sculls=94, and it=92s located beneath our cerebrum. It enhances the =
spiritual evolution more radically than any process hitherto known. >=20
> And through the DIVING into the Tomb, the wandering through the dark = caves
> in quest of the Pearl of Compassion, we trespass the shells of our = former identities. These former entities, these empty shells, forms a =
beeing, refered to in every occult and esoteric traditions as The = Guardian of the Threshold. The Guardian, these demonic entity, is not =
the mythical devil. It is composed of our karma, our obligations to our = Fellow beeings not initiated. It is the Karma which have to be overcomed =
before marrying the Ultimate Ligth. He is the last obstacle for = ascension.
>=20 > The diving downwards is a grounding process. The Pearl reaches Mother =
Earth, the babe sleeps in the Womb. The Tomb is the Womb. >=20
> The pearl returns to the sexual chakra, from where its upwards = movement began. It reaches the sexual chakra, the menstruation chakra, =
the HOLY GRAIL Chakra. And the rubin red colour of the light body, = entering these Chakra, and its Yin/Yang blending with the Violet Flame =
of crossing out (burning) karma, have been refered to as the =93marriage = between the Rose and the Cross=94.
>=20 > The Holy Grail begets ressurection. Instead of using the sexual Chakra =
to regenerate the physical form, instead of DRINKING from these Cup of = regeneration, we reverse sexuality to regenerate the light body, the =
immortality body, the electrical, ressurected Christ body. We GIVE our = blood to the Grail in reverse order. This is the Renunciation. This is =
the renunciation of physichal mortality in order to regenerate = immortality. The old Tau-symbol (T) have been transformed to the =
Tau-symbol with the >=20
> In the black magic, =93left-hand=94 rituals of Tantra, on the other = hand, they renounce every tabus, breaks every laws of compulsion. They =
DRINK from the Grail. They are no more total givers of themselves, but = mean hucksters. They exchange gold for dross. They sell their higher =
powers for gross and temporary benefit. Through the conscious practice = of breaking every tabu, through BLASPHEMY, they seek Gnosis or =
Liberation. >=20
> The black magic Tantric Cults of the Vama Marg used the pig as a = blasphemic symbol because it eats human excrements. It explains why the =
tantric Pra-Yoga left-hand magicians tried to prevent Buddha=92s = awakening through magic power, by ridiculing his Divinity through =
pig-meat. There lies a deep, deep mystery hidden in these symbolism, = which not even Blavatsky dared to reveal.
>=20 > A VISION DURING THETA
>=20 > On November 29th 1995, I had a vision during Theta (the continuum of =
consciousness during sleep) about an interplanetary, interdimensional = etherc network:
>=20 > A chain went straight forwards from the middle of my head, about one =
feet out through the room. At it=92s end, it was connected to two other = chains in an Y-shape.
> Both of the chains was connected to a bird, both of the same colour: A = mixture of black and golden orange. Beneath the birds, I saw another =
shape: Two Y=92s connected in such a way that they went in opposite = directions.
>=20 > And I received the following channeling: =93The Diamond [ Figure ] is =
called INTERSAMST, and through it You are connected to each and every I = AM world-wide=94. Then I saw the 3rd eye of Nada-Yolanda as the center =
where thousands of light workers world wide was =93chained together=94 = in a common cause as the beams from the Sun. The Energies in my own 3rd =
eye became so influenced, that it was difficult to distinguish from my = own thoughts and the energies from the centre. My thoughts was no longer =
separate >=20
> In an out-of-body experience, I entered a Pyramid of pure Diamond. And = received the channeled message: =93With these vehicle, You can travel in =
your light body to other places=94. And I traveled to a woman, which the = Voice claimed to be my =93Mother=94. Arguing that these was certainly =
not my biological mother, a bisarr message was whispered, in an echo, 3 = times: =93YOU ARE BORN BY A PROSTITUE=94
>=20 > + + +
>=20 > Speculations began about the last sentence. In fact, at that point I =
thought that I, somehow, somewhere, was going to MEET these woman as a = real physical beeing. Was it a mother from a previous lifetime ? A =
twin-soul ? Although the latter was the truth - I was born by my twin = soul in France at the beginning of our Century, at a time when She was a =
prostitute - I related it to a written passage: >=20
> "And there came one of the seven angels > which had the seven vials,
> and talked with me, > saying unto me, Come hither;
> I will shew unto thee the judgement > of the great whore
> that SITTETH UPON MANY WATERS. >=20
> 2 With whom the kings of earth > have committed fornication,
> and the inhabitants of the earth > have been MADE DRUNK
> with the wine of her fornication. >=20
> 3 So he carried me away in the spirit > into the wilderness:
> and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, > full of the names of BLASPHEMY,
> having seven heads and ten horns. >=20
> 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, > and decked with gold and PRECIOUS STONES and PEARLS,
> having a GOLDEN CUP in her hand > full of abominations
> and filthiness of her abominations. >=20
> 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, > MYSTERY,
> BABYLON THE GREAT, > THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
> AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. >=20
> 6 And I saw the woman drunken > with the blood of the saints,
> and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: > and when I saw her,
> I wondered with great admiration." >=20
> =93Revelation=94, Chapter 17 >=20
> This was the start of my 6. phase of Baptism, since each major = Initiation has seven phases or minor initiations echoing the 7 major =
initiations. >=20
> And the reaction from my sosial environment ? Exactly ! Antagonism = from those in my circle of aquaintance from whom I least expected it. =
Then Envy, hatred, mockery from occult circles, even unconstitutional = injustice.
>=20 > It was the test of giving Love, without beeing loved myself, as one of =
the =93saints=94 in These Great Illusion of limitations. In many cases, = Beauty is the result of a pain or disease, like the Pearl of the Mussel, =
or the mole on the cheek of a woman. >=20
> So, I became a peculiar combination of Her Variety. A growing mole on = the cheek of the Woman which is the Great Illusion. A mole among those =
who resist Change, rejects and restricts Love, and Fears Death.
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Dear Wim Borsboom....
Again, I am able to answer you. I'm = extremly busy,=20
as you probably understand; I'm in a situation where EVERYONE think I = can do=20
EVERYTHING for them. Today, I have received 11 different phone calls, = from=20
people with different problems. In addition, I've received faxes, sendt = faxes=20
and posted things on 3 local discussion forums, which - again - will be = received=20
by Newspapers, local Politicians and even the members of our Government. = It can=20
be very EXHAUSTING spending so much time working for human rights = without any=20
income, and broadcasting a message which the people in Power do not want = to=20
receive........
I apologize for the length of my posting, but I had to repost = something I=20
once wrote, and later posted on these List, in order to save time.
On January the 5th, You wrote:
>Now Magne, would you care to elaborate on what you mean by=20 the>"crucifixion-resurrection Initiation".
+ + +
The *crucifixion* is the crossing out of the lower ego, The VIOLET =
FLAME=20 which burns old ties, and karma. The *resurrection* is the birth of the =
High=20 Self. The *crucifixion-ressurrection* takes place in the chakras of the =
head,=20 when Kundalini in it's upwards movement reaches the pituitary gland or=20
*Golgata*, *the place of the sculls*.
Although the Kundalini-Fire is conquered and controlled as it = rotates=20
between the 7 chakras, it must be held consciously in the pituitary = gland in=20
order to cross out the lower personality or ego. When Kundalini ascends = these=20
way, it has been symbolized by a water lever that raises from the lowest = chakra=20
to the point in the scull between the ears, and crossing over the eyes. = These=20
*water-level* is also called THE ABYSS by Christians. The main result of = these=20
process, is the *horisontal bar*, a certain connection between the = pineal gland=20
and the pituitary gland, which didn't exist before these process. The = two=20
chakras in the heads establishes a new Ying-Yang polarity, the masculine = and=20
feminine aspects of the primordial force, *Father and Mother*. = Furthermore, a=20
third connection appears with the *water-level* and the two = throath-chakras,=20
creating a *triangle* with it's apex in the throath (The *Son of = God*).
When the Pearl of Compassion, from our Holy Guardian Angel, in it =
DOWNWARDS=20 direction HITS these bar, the *crucifixion* of the ego takes place. The=20
horisontal and the vertical movements of energy forms the *cross* of=20 energy.
When the Pearl HITS the pineal Gland, it results in the *Sound of =
Creation*=20 or "NG"-"AO"-"NG", the socalled *OM* or =
*AUM*. In=20 the beginning was - The Big Bang according to physics, The *Word* =
according to=20 John, and the Primordial Sound according to Tantra. The End is the =
Beginning.=20 The crossing out of the lower ego is also the Birth of the Higher =
Self.
In the sanskrit version of the *OM*-sign, we see a dot (The pearl) = above a=20
horisontal crescent. The crescent in reality symbolizes a BOW WHICH = VIBRATES, a=20
vibration caused by the *smash* of the pearl. And beneath these = crescent, we see=20
3 energies beeing casted out.
Instead of writing everything anew, in my present stressfull = situation, I=20
have found some remniscences of something I posted in May 1998, I think, = on the=20
Kundalini-List:
> It was during my reflections over these fact that I wondered: = "Is=20
> it possible that the forces from the previous Chakrams are=20
being> multiplied, instead of just added to the sixth Chakra = ?".=20
Playing > with these numerological reflections, a peculiar summary =
became > the result: The numbers 144 and 144 000, which presents the =
sixth=20
> initiation, is the same as the number of the *elected* ones in = the=20
> New Testament, those who have a *mark* on their forehead =
!>=20 > > CHAKRA /> SANSKRITNAME NR OF "BLADES" =
> Root Mûladâra, "the fundamental root" 4 =
>=20 Sacral Svâdhisthana, "Your own place" 6 > Solar =
Plexus=20 Manipûra, "The home of the Jewel" 10 > Hearth=20
Anahâta, "The source of the sound" 12 > Throat=20 Vishûddhi, "The purified" 16 > SUMMARY =
48> =20 > Third Eye Ajnâ, "Control" 2 x 48 =3D 96 =
> SUMMARY=20 48 + 96 =3D 144 > Crown Sâhâshrara, "1000 =
blades" 144=20 x 1000 =3D 144 000>
And further:
> Upstreams and downstreams ...> Yang and Yin ...> =
Ebb and=20 Flow ...> Masculine and Feminine ...> > And when =
the two=20 poles are balanced, another process takes place> > The =
sexual=20 energy (Yang) moves upwards the spine. After having reached the throath, =
it=20 moves straight forwards to the teeths (where, during nursing, the =
baby’s=20 drinking of milk is our first positive Yang). Then it moves downwards, =
in its=20 femine YIN aspect, on the front side of the body to the solar plexus =
chakra (the=20 region of the baby’s umbilical cord in the womb).> > =
During=20 physical Birth, the Pearl of our uniquness, the pearl of the present=20
incarnation, falls downwards through the Bindu-point at the top of our = head. And=20
its entrance into our chakra system is solar plexus. Therefore the = sanscrit name=20
Manipura means “THE HOME OF THE JEWEL”. The advaita school,=20 therefore, refer to single incarnations as another PEARL on a thread of =
pearls=20 (sutratma), each representing qualities gained from =
incarnations.>=20 > From here, we shoot the Pearl of Compassion direct upwards, to =
the=20 non-duality point 1 feet above our head. The non-duality point is the =
THROAT=20 CHAKRA of our light Body.> > We shoot the Pearl directly =
upwards,=20 a “direct way upwards” to the Ultimate Extreme Clear Light, =
seen=20 after death.> > The ultimate, limitless, qualityless, =
light shines=20 stronger than thousand suns. In these state of non-duality (advaita or =
Tao)=20 there are EMPTYNESS and the Ultimate Light.> > While the =
Pearl=20 marries with the Crystal Clear Light, Kundalini, in it’s upwards =
movement=20 reaches the middle of our head, causing a “waterline” =
straight=20 through the head, a “waterline” unifying the pineal, the =
pituitary=20 and hypothalamus / medulla oblongata (Sahashrara, Anja, and Soma =
Chakra), THE=20 THREE IN ONE, mirrored in the “waters” in Blue, Green =
and Pink=20 colours.> > But in order to succeed in these UNITY, our =
old=20 fragmented ego must die, beeing absorbed by a higher unity. The Choice =
is given,=20 whether to destroy the Ego, and give up ones Life, extending it to =
Universal=20 Life, or whether he making protection mechanisms around the Ego and =
abide=20 therein.> > In order to achieve UNITY, in order to CROSS =
THE=20 ABYSS, one must emancipate from thought by putting each idea against its =
opposite, and refuse to prefer either. Through Jnana Yoga - the =
meditation=20 technique called “Antar Mouna” (Inner Silence), we =
self-destruct our=20 limitations.> > We must then decide upon the ciritical =
adventure,=20 the absolute abandonment of our glory and personal achievements. =
We cannot=20 remain indefinetly upon the Pillars of Mercy, because these pillars (Ida =
and=20 Pingala) have become unstable, imbalanced. We are beeing pushed onwards =
by the=20 irresistable momentum that have been generated. The old Ego cannot guide =
us, it=20 is beeing DIVIDED INTO THREE PERSONALITIES, and we must choose between =
the=20 TRINITY of the White way, or a split personality case as seen in *the =
three=20 faces of Eve*> > While we make our journy ACROSS the =
waters, our=20 Holy Guardian Angel, our cosmic mirror game centered in the 3rd eye, =
makes a=20 movement in the OPPOSITE direction. Our lower ego moves towards UNITY, =
the three=20 in one (Thougth, Emotion, Will), while the Pearl of Compassion spinters=20
downwards through DIVERSITY.> > The blending of = “the=20
two of us” (the one and the many), is the = crucifiction-ressurrection=20
initiation. Golgata means “the place of the sculls”, and = it’s=20
located beneath our cerebrum. It enhances the spiritual evolution more = radically=20
than any process hitherto known.> > And through the DIVING = into=20
the Tomb, the wandering through the dark caves> in quest of the = Pearl of=20
Compassion, we trespass the shells of our former identities. These = former=20
entities, these empty shells, forms a beeing, refered to in every occult = and=20
esoteric traditions as The Guardian of the Threshold. The Guardian, = these=20
demonic entity, is not the mythical devil. It is composed of our karma, = our=20
obligations to our Fellow beeings not initiated. It is the Karma which = have to=20
be overcomed before marrying the Ultimate Ligth. He is the last obstacle = for=20
ascension.> > The diving downwards is a grounding process. = The=20
Pearl reaches Mother Earth, the babe sleeps in the Womb. The Tomb is the =
Womb.> > The pearl returns to the sexual chakra, from = where its=20
upwards movement began. It reaches the sexual chakra, the menstruation = chakra,=20
the HOLY GRAIL Chakra. And the rubin red colour of the light body, = entering=20
these Chakra, and its Yin/Yang blending with the Violet Flame of = crossing out=20
(burning) karma, have been refered to as the “marriage between the = Rose=20
and the Cross”.> > The Holy Grail begets = ressurection.=20
Instead of using the sexual Chakra to regenerate the physical form, = instead of=20
DRINKING from these Cup of regeneration, we reverse sexuality to = regenerate the=20
light body, the immortality body, the electrical, ressurected Christ = body. We=20
GIVE our blood to the Grail in reverse order. This is the Renunciation. = This is=20
the renunciation of physichal mortality in order to regenerate = immortality. The=20
old Tau-symbol (T) have been transformed to the Tau-symbol with = the>=20
> In the black magic, “left-hand” rituals of Tantra, = on the=20
other hand, they renounce every tabus, breaks every laws of compulsion. = They=20
DRINK from the Grail. They are no more total givers of themselves, but = mean=20
hucksters. They exchange gold for dross. They sell their higher = powers for=20
gross and temporary benefit. Through the conscious practice of breaking = every=20
tabu, through BLASPHEMY, they seek Gnosis or Liberation.> = > The=20
black magic Tantric Cults of the Vama Marg used the pig as a blasphemic = symbol=20
because it eats human excrements. It explains why the tantric Pra-Yoga = left-hand=20
magicians tried to prevent Buddha’s awakening through magic power, = by=20
ridiculing his Divinity through pig-meat. There lies a deep, deep = mystery hidden=20
in these symbolism, which not even Blavatsky dared to reveal.> = > A=20
VISION DURING THETA> > On November 29th 1995, I had a = vision=20
during Theta (the continuum of consciousness during sleep) about an=20 interplanetary, interdimensional etherc network:> > A =
chain went=20 straight forwards from the middle of my head, about one feet out through =
the=20 room. At it’s end, it was connected to two other chains in an=20
Y-shape.> Both of the chains was connected to a bird, both of the = same=20
colour: A mixture of black and golden orange. Beneath the birds, I saw = another=20
shape: Two Y’s connected in such a way that they went in opposite=20 directions.> > And I received the following channeling: =
“The=20 Diamond [ Figure ] is called INTERSAMST, and through it You are =
connected to=20 each and every I AM world-wide”. Then I saw the 3rd eye of =
Nada-Yolanda as=20 the center where thousands of light workers world wide was =
“chained=20 together” in a common cause as the beams from the Sun. The =
Energies in my=20 own 3rd eye became so influenced, that it was difficult to distinguish =
from my=20 own thoughts and the energies from the centre. My thoughts was no longer =
separate> > In an out-of-body experience, I entered a =
Pyramid of=20 pure Diamond. And received the channeled message: “With these =
vehicle, You=20 can travel in your light body to other places”. And I traveled to =
a woman,=20 which the Voice claimed to be my “Mother”. Arguing that =
these was=20 certainly not my biological mother, a bisarr message was whispered, in =
an echo,=20 3 times: “YOU ARE BORN BY A PROSTITUE”> > =
+ =20 + +> > Speculations began about the last sentence. =
In fact,=20 at that point I thought that I, somehow, somewhere, was going to MEET =
these=20 woman as a real physical beeing. Was it a mother from a previous =
lifetime=20 ? A twin-soul ? Although the latter was the truth - I was =
born by my=20 twin soul in France at the beginning of our Century, at a time when She =
was a=20 prostitute - I related it to a written passage:> > =
"And there=20 came one of the seven angels> which had the seven=20
vials,> and talked with me,> saying unto me, = Come=20
hither;> I will shew unto thee the judgement> = of the=20
great whore> that SITTETH UPON MANY WATERS.> = > 2 With=20
whom the kings of earth> have committed = fornication,> =20
and the inhabitants of the earth> have been MADE=20 DRUNK> with the wine of her fornication.> > 3 =
So he=20 carried me away in the spirit> into the =
wilderness:> =20 and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast,> full =
of the=20 names of BLASPHEMY,> having seven heads and ten =
horns.>=20 > 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet =
colour,> =20 and decked with gold and PRECIOUS STONES and PEARLS,> =
having a=20 GOLDEN CUP in her hand> full of abominations> =
and=20 filthiness of her abominations.> > 5 And upon her forehead =
was a=20 name written,> MYSTERY,> BABYLON THE=20
GREAT,> THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS> AND = ABOMINATIONS OF THE=20
EARTH.> > 6 And I saw the woman drunken> with = the=20
blood of the saints,> and with the blood of the martyrs of=20 Jesus:> and when I saw her,> I wondered with =
great=20 admiration."> > “Revelation”, Chapter =
17>=20 > This was the start of my 6. phase of Baptism, since each major=20
Initiation has seven phases or minor initiations echoing the 7 major=20 initiations.> > And the reaction from my sosial =
environment ?=20 Exactly ! Antagonism from those in my circle of aquaintance from whom I =
least=20 expected it. Then Envy, hatred, mockery from occult circles, even=20
unconstitutional injustice.> > It was the test of giving = Love,=20
without beeing loved myself, as one of the “saints” in These = Great=20
Illusion of limitations. In many cases, Beauty is the result of a pain = or=20
disease, like the Pearl of the Mussel, or the mole on the cheek of a=20 woman.> > So, I became a peculiar combination of Her =
Variety. A=20 growing mole on the cheek of the Woman which is the Great Illusion. A =
mole among=20 those who resist Change, rejects and restricts Love, and Fears =
Death.
BLESSINGS FROM NORWAY
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:04:08 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent Cc: anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
At 05:04 PM 1/12/00 -0800, Christopher Wynter wrote:
>Does the reply I just posed on list >help explain some of what you ask ..
> >I would be happy to answer this on list .. but
>specific answers could be quite lengthy because of the complexity of the >very valid questions you ask ...
Go for it!!
>In my opinion, Kundalini 'worship' >has almost become a religion ..
>rather than the individual expression of the manifestation >of the truth of who you really are ..
Since last Friday I have been getting wild and whacked out symptoms..
flu symptoms with an emotional quality, feverish and chills, and I am unable to eat.. my desire to smoke has flown out the window... I've been
meditating and staying very mindful because it has been a rather harrowing process.. focusing on love and surrender to distract from the fears of
insanity. Now that I have figgered out that some of the emotional chaos is smoking withdrawl, which I have read can be nightmarish.. it is a little
easier to take. Ego likes to have a reason to hold onto..
One effect of this current processing is that Goddess has made it very clear to me that my "slave to Goddess" surrender is no longer wanted.. it's
purpose in releasing issues has been fulfilled and now I am being pushed to a paradigm of co-creation that I have been resistant to for over a year..
For about a year or more, sometimes I say, "it will be as Goddess Wills" and inner voice says "Thou art Goddess". and I go, uhhh.. but but
but....... eek. :o
Goddess asking me what I want, for me to make a choice.. make a decision.. I've been going, "yikes how should I know Yer the infinitely
wise one ... wanting creates wanting, right?" I've been resistant, so now I'm trying not to be.. but I'm wary of "Good
intentions" .. Takes some getting used to.. like learning to walk over again... falling
down a lot.. Ironic coz I've been trying to get my slave-devotees to worship me less,
and Goddess within themselves more, so they will not be quite so emotionally dependent on my approval.. Guess I teach best what I most need
to learn, again..:) So it goes..:) Blessings..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :) << I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. << -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:43:08 -0600 From: Jenell
CC: Wim Borsboom , kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] Crucifixion-Resurrection Initiation
> Magne Aga wrote: >
> CRUCIFIXION-RESURRECTION >
> I cannot thank you enough for this post! It is reverberating chords of redognition within me all the way through, is addressing some things i've experienced, and am expererincing, i'd not encountered before. It is making perfect sense to me!
It also helps me understand a distrubing vivid dream I'd had several times a few weeks ago, it was so different than most, and i did not,
until reading this, understadn what the symbolisms in it were. In the dream, I was fist standing on a pleasant, grassy, gently rolling
plain, a free trees nearby, and looking at a huge deep, straight sided 'pit'. this pit was maybe a mile or more across, round, and seemed a
number of miles deep, sides just straight down all the way to the bottom. The sides of it were very black, glistened slightly, seemed to
be coal. I seemed to feel very matter of fact, not concerned or anything, just curious, as I got into a large machine with some other
people, that was made to sort of burrow itself into the sruface of the coal on the sides of the pit, 'eat' ist's way into it just enough to get
a hold on the walls, and it began, like that, wormlike, to descend into the pit, traveling around and around the pit, in a downward spiral along
the walls of the pit. Once at the bottem, again, I was curious about this strange place, surprised to find a little community down there at
the bottom, people living there, houses, business, etc, like a little town. the land there looked much as it had above, gentle rolling and
grassy, a few trees. a pleasant place.
then I realized something was happening, I heard a rumbling sound, felt the ground shaking, looked up, and saw that all around the pit, the
walls of the pit were trembling, liquifying as soil does in an earthquake, and beginning to collapse, down into the pit. At that, i
felt fear, started running with others, wondering how we would get out, say the top of the pit, then the upper parts of the wall, a motion
working it's way down, of it giving way, realized the whole thing was caving in on itself. I, and all down there, would be buried under it.
then, withot knowing how, I was out of the pit again, standing where i
had been at the first of the dream, looking down at it. Only now, as I looked, it was not back to how it had been then, but I was watching it
cave into itself from that vantage point. I didn't know how I got out, wodered about the other people I'd seen down there, knowing they must
still be down there, being buried alive, crushed. I continued to stand there and watch, until a good part of the upper part of the pit walls
had caved in and a dark plume of black dust from it began to billoow upward out of the pit. It was only at that point, watching it collapse,
that the term 'abyss' came into my thoughts, i had not thought of it as that before then, just as a pit, or a quarry, maybe some kind of coal
mining operation or something. But at that point, in my mind, I thought of it as being an abyss, a black abyss. The collapsing was still going
on, when I awakened from the dream, feeling very distrubed, and trying to undertstand what it meant, for i felt i KNEW it did mean something
important.
Within a close time span to that dream, had been some other strange dreams, and visions, waking experiences very defintely of a spiritutual
nature, some involving some supernatural phenomenon. A definite strong aspect of this was a marriage involving me, I felt I was a bride, a
wife, had been married to a male essence of God, that I felt a love deep in me for Him as of a wife for a husband, but a more pure love than I
could ever have for a man here, and I felt so cherished and loved by Him, this spiritual man that I had wed, that was my spiritual husband. I
realized i had long felt that kind of love for my spirit guide, who I identify as Jesus, have since as a child.
Right after this, i discovered and began to read such as St john of the
cross, and St theresa of Avila, and was stunned to learn of what those mystics there described as the 'spiritual marriage to Christ', of our
asecnding toward the bridegroom, as the bride, etc.
But what you have posted here has filled in a lot for gaps for me, especially in helping me understand the significance of that dream about
that deep, black pit. Thank you, and thank the Spirit for guiding you, to post it.
Jenell
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:05:54 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Really wondering .. Some Answers
I will try to find words to answer what has been posted on the subject by both Jenell and Mystress Angelique.
Please understand that this is a perspective I have come up with from many
years of deeper body remembering work within myself and a group people who have had the courage to use their own bodies as their textbook.
I have found that for many, my perspective is a little different to what
they have been taught. I welcome any questions that you might have, because this is the first time I have attempted to concisely put what we have
learned into the written word.
I feel that to provide answers to the questions you ask, and explanations as to the symptoms you are experiencing, and the reason why requires some
background of the biological process as I have learned it within the work I've been involved in.
The human body, mine, yours, was conceived from a single egg which was
formed primarily in your grandmothers womb, and environmentally modified within your mother. It contains within it the "genetic memory" of the
mitochondrial line.
This it was fertilised by a sperm from your father which carries his mother's genetic memory, modified by his life experience.
This genetic memory is carried in both the nuclear DNA and also the
mitochondrial DNA.
The genetic imprinting process occurs as the cells remember patterns of shock or trauma experienced by the body.
Every time you catch your breath in response to a shock, a "photographic"
image of the emotion is imprinted within the cells of the body and thus also within the cells (genes) of the DNA.
The energy we know as Kundalini is the energy of the cells in free
movement, in free expression, and is also the energy contained within the cells themselves.
As the breath is caught, as the cells and the atoms and molecules within
the cells "freeze" so this energy is not allowed to move freely and become trapped within frozen expression.
If there has been experience of plain, then that will be the physiological
memory that has been trapped.
If there has been an enforced or encoded behaviour which traps the free expression, then "keywords" or symbols can be part of the imprinting.
Genetic memory requires and environmental trigger in order to "manifest"
the disorder.
For forming foetus in utero, the environmental trigger are the conscious and unconscious thoughts feelings and emotions of the mother. These can
set in place the basic patterns and beliefs that are followed unconsciously throughout the lifetime in this physical body.
The body has programmed within it, a number of cycles of opportunity to
release this genetic imprinting.
The first is the birthing process .. Where the experience of being squeezed through the cervix and the vaginal opening massages the cells of body and
reawakens the intrinsic free expression and free movement of the atoms and molecules within the cells, attempting to release past inherited and
environmental memory. The use of anaesthetic and painkillers during the birth process tends to inhibit this release.
The child is thus born "with Kundalini awakened" to a degree dependant on
the birth process itself, and is in in that instant, a macrocosm of the microcosm single cell from which it evolved.
From the moment of birth, the infant is subjected to environmental
triggers, and patterns of shock (both consciously and unconsciously) projected onto it from various sources ... and so the imprinting process
begins again and builds on the patterns and impressions which were not released during the birthing process.
At two years of age, there is a similar spontaneous Kundalini movement
which if repressed, imprints body memory into the Hypothalamus. (the source of the terrible two's)
The processes repeated again at approximately seven years of age (loss of
the baby teeth .. When the thymus function is transferred to the spleen) and also puberty.
There is a minor movement programmed for 28 years the next major cycle
occurs at approximately age 42 which is interpreted as "menopause" or mid life crisis.
Experience of Kundalini moving at these ages is very likely to bring with it very strong impressions of conception and birth ..
Spontaneous Kundalini movement can also occur at times in between, and can
be triggered by the release of a trapped pattern of shock or belief .. Then the experience will bring with it the feelings associated with the
entrapment. It is possible to map patterns of events during a person's life from conception to present age in cycles as a means of identifying "cell
limiting beliefs".
The Kundalini moment will be accompanied by the reversal of the "trauma" which saw it trapped the first place ... hence the reliving of experiences
and or be remembering of past situations and events as either thought feeling or emotion.
I hope that this may start to provide some sort of explanation in answer to
part of what you have asked ... and if you would like me to continue along this thread, fully exploring
your questions, please let me know.
Christopher Wynter
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:16:47 -0600 From: Jenell
CC: wynterATnospamone.net.au, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >
> > Since last Friday I have been getting wild and whacked out symptoms..
> flu symptoms with an emotional quality, feverish and chills,
How odd and coincidental. I have been feeling absolutely AWFUL lately, the past few days, I do know it's ot a physical illness', it feels like
something I'm picking up therough my psychic empathy, but just today i had realized, thought, of itas flu-like, that I just aches and feel
tender and sore all over like the flu. Just really dragged out, no energy, and aching. While no fever that registeres, my whole body feels
so hot and burning, my thought of it is as if my tissues are just ripping themselves apart inside, I mean at tissue, cell, level.
And the sweat, yuch, not that it has been that much of it, not dripping or anything, just sticky all over, and the smell is AWFUL, really strong
and unpleasant. Like when one is really stessed out, or greatly fearful, that sort of strong, pungent, disgusting smell. Also a strong 'maleish'
hint to it, like the more strong scent of a man's sweat.
and I am > unable to eat..
I'm having a bad time of lack of appetite lately, trying to remeber to,
and make myself, eat as I know I need to.
my desire to smoke has flown out the window...
I wish. but no such luck.
I've been > meditating and staying very mindful because it has been a rather harrowing
> process.. focusing on love and surrender to distract from the fears of > insanity.
I think i got past insanity, but the impact of other's reactions to me
for these changes, the outright hostility and resnetments and thinking I'm evil, really ugly emotions toward me, have really been heavy on me
lately. I just feel so TIRED of all of it, trying to cope with, learn to live with, all these changes in my mind, my body, my life, my
relationships. Like, will I EVER feel again as if I have something of a normal life? Something strange happened today, really bothered me later.
I was just so tired, and hurting and aching all over, inside and out, I had laid down on the bed, sort of drwosy but aching too much to go to
sleep, and let myself slip into something of a meditative, just 'not here' state, and suddenly I found myself thinking, as I lost
'connection' with feeling my own body, that all I had to do was keeping sinking into that state, just turn loose of this world, and I could, if
I wanted to, just leave. Just leave this bosdy laying there and let myself slide over the edge, into that other realm, and I realized with a
start that what I was thinking of was to die, just let myself, actually choose to, let myself slip out of my body and leave it. That I could
just chose to die, and that it was seeming a very attractive thing right then, i felt so very tired, so very much in pain, it seemed that to do
so was a lure, toward rest, and peace, and freedom from the pain. When i realized that, I got up and shook off those thoughts and feelings.
Now that I have figgered out that some of the emotional chaos is
> smoking withdrawl, which I have read can be nightmarish.. it is a little > easier to take. Ego likes to have a reason to hold onto..
> > One effect of this current processing
Does the 'processing' never end?!
is that Goddess has made it very
> clear to me that my "slave to Goddess" surrender is no longer wanted.. it's > purpose in releasing issues has been fulfilled and now I am being pushed to
> a paradigm of co-creation that I have been resistant to for over a year.. > For about a year or more, sometimes I say, "it will be as Goddess Wills"
> and inner voice says "Thou art Goddess". and I go, uhhh.. but but > but....... eek. :o
i think you are being asked to move toward making his/her will to be
your will, and your will to be his/her will. I've been dealing with that one, too.
> > Goddess asking me what I want, for me to make a choice.. make a
> decision.. I've been going, "yikes how should I know Yer the infinitely > wise one ... wanting creates wanting, right?"
> I've been resistant, so now I'm trying not to be.. but I'm wary of "Good > intentions" ..
> Takes some getting used to.. like learning to walk over again... falling > down a lot..
LOL! I've always said, one thing about me, i've gotten very good at
getting up off the ground! Lots of practice!
> Ironic coz I've been trying to get my slave-devotees to worship me less, > and Goddess within themselves more, so they will not be quite so
> emotionally dependent on my approval.. Guess I teach best what I most need > to learn, again..:) So it goes..:)
> Blessings.. > and Blessings to you, Sister,
Jenell > Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. > 8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
> << I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery > << than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
> << -- Harry Emerson Fosdick >
> >
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:21:47 -0600 From: Jenell
CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering .. Some Answers
Christopher Wynter wrote: >
> > I hope that this may start to provide some sort of explanation in answer to
> part of what you have asked ... > and if you would like me to continue along this thread, fully exploring
> your questions, please let me know. >
> Christopher Wynter
Well since it seems I'm quite solidly caught in the current of this river that is dragging me through the rocks and the white water rapids,
any help with the paddling is appreciated.
Jenell >
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:23:04 +1100 From: Christopher Wynter
Subject: Really Wondering ... some background ...
Perhaps so that people on this list can understand
a little more of where I am coming from ... and the background behind my work ...
and yes, this is related to the questions and my answers, here is an edited version of something that I have posted on another list ....
In this lifetime, I have been clinically dead three times ...
and I have a very clear remembering of what I found at those times.
all that existed was my separateness.
now I write for the joy of writing, and, as I tend my garden, I hear the song of the grass
and the trees .. and the wind .... and underneath the song is a silence
around which I cannot place words ....
and if all of that ended tomorrow, it would make no difference to me because I have nothing left to judge .. and I will now, no longer
leave (or take with me) regrets of things I could or should have done .... ... nor do I fear the loss of anything that surrounds me ...
because I have found a me that does not depend on the permission
or authority of others for its existence ....
The purpose of my returns was to remember this ...
I was asked on another list to describe what I remembered of death ...
Words and the language of perception allow only a limited translation ...
Its like a dream state ... lucid ... thoughts disembodied ... thoughts existing without a body ...
the mental process continues ... but without active thinking ... non creative ...
but beyond that, thoughts have opposite thoughts ...
'nightmares'
and there is no concept of time .. as in a dream ...
its all happening at the one time ....
but there are feelings of emotions .. fear .. was what I had been taught it was ...
ghosts of the past ...
and self judgement ...
memories, impressions not associable with the life I had led ...
beyond that, I could see all disappear into what can be best described as a nebula ...
and the remembering that this could only be achieved by the thinking process
for which I needed a body
Christopher Wynter
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:26:09 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent Cc: wynterATnospamone.net.au,kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
At 09:16 PM 1/12/00 -0600, Jenell wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >How odd and coincidental. I have been feeling absolutely AWFUL lately,
>the past few days, I do know it's ot a physical illness', it feels like >something I'm picking up therough my psychic empathy,
Yep, at first I thought I was picking it up from someone else too.. went into Victim for a bit, got over it again.
It's flu, but in Kundalites it seems to be an evolutionary sickness..
> While no fever that registeres, my whole body feels >so hot and burning, my thought of it is as if my tissues are just
>ripping themselves apart inside, I mean at tissue, cell, level. Yes, waves of heat and then these wierd neck chills..
> And the sweat, yuch, not that it has been that much of it, not dripping
>or anything, just sticky all over, and the smell is AWFUL, really strong >and unpleasant.
Yes, there is huge cleansing going on... I am wanting a hot bath but concerned that I'll pass out in the tub..
> and I am
>> unable to eat.. >
>I'm having a bad time of lack of appetite lately, trying to remeber to, >and make myself, eat as I know I need to.
Well, I tried to eat for a few days but then gave up trying and felt better. Someone suggested I'm spontaneously becoming breatharian... wot?
> my desire to smoke has flown out the window...
> >I wish. but no such luck.
Careful what you wish for.. ;)
>I think i got past insanity, but the impact of other's reactions to me >for these changes, the outright hostility and resnetments and thinking
>I'm evil, really ugly emotions toward me, have really been heavy on me >lately.
Sigh, ditto.. this was sparked last Friday by a flame from an ex-friend I edited from my life more than 4 years ago.. and yesterday
another friend raised her voice to me and I rolled up in a ball and started crying... I am feeling very fragile. Not my usual "bulletproof" self, at
all..
> Just leave this bosdy laying there and let >myself slide over the edge, into that other realm, and I realized with a
>start that what I was thinking of was to die, just let myself, actually >choose to, let myself slip out of my body and leave it. That I could
>just chose to die, and that it was seeming a very attractive thing right >then, i felt so very tired, so very much in pain,..
Well, after reading Magne-Ana's post about crucifixion... I took a nap and my mind wandered into a lucid dreaming space where the duality of my
male sides chopped off my head.. for the second time since september.. An act of mercy as Goddess wills, to end suffering. I wept but I went with it
because I recognised an ego-death metaphor.. and afterwards I was in the Witness state.
My neck is not quite so stiff anymore.. :) I think it is probably safe to follow your dreams to the other side..
heck, I got maried to Hades and I've had my head chopped off twice since in lucid daydream, and I'm still here.
Your body will make sure your heart keeps beating till you come back to it.. or perhaps you won't come back to it, you will stay in the light and
your Higher Self will come in, instead to be the new you, free from fear. The body has a mind of it's own, and it is wiser than ego.
>Does the 'processing' never end?!
Sure wish I knew.. I thought I was done but the 1000 petaled lotus continues to open infinitely.
> and inner voice says "Thou art Goddess". and I go, uhhh.. but but
>> but....... eek. :o >
>i think you are being asked to move toward making his/her will to be >your will, and your will to be his/her will. I've been dealing with that
>one, too. Well, the Viel of separation that is the Portal Guardian shadow-self
is Death... and he wielded the sword but my body did not die. Did the perception of separation between my Will and Divine will die? I'm not sure.
However, my perceptions since are .. altered. The walls are glowing.
>> Blessings.. >> and Blessings to you, Sister,
>Jenell :) Blessed be! Thank Goddess for the comfort of shared experience..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery << than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:01:42 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter Subject: Really wondering ...some more background
For those of you who don't know, I have a group who I work with in Tasmania who meet once a week on Tuesday night, local time.
This is something I recently posted on my own discussion list
and I have had reports from a number of people who had synchronous experiences.
Is it possible that some here on this list may have also somehow become
part of this experience ...
It would explain to me at least why there is a commonality in the essence of what Jenell and Mistress Angelique have written about here.
----------
I have been avoiding putting these words into written form for most of the day
as I have had to translate my perceptions of this experience into words beyond the keywords which may invoke kinaesthetic
or emotional reactions from the body ... and beyond the language of my preconceptions ...
Last night the process my Tasmanian Group worked
through went a little further than expected ...
Those who read yesterday's post will remember that I wrote of the asexual innocent ...
a being neither male nor female who had no Father or Mother ...
People here who have followed my writings will be familiar with my concept of the no-thing ..
a pure "potential" which contains all forms of opposites before "definition".
The first emanation from the "no-thing" is amorphous .. it has no shape or form
but is energy of "being" opposed to "non-being". There are no other "definitions"
From the first emanation comes the multiple "polymorphous being"
which occurs when the amorphous being separates into more than one "shape"
and starts to take on a more distinct form.
From this descends by a process of densification (ectoplasm, cytoplasm, protoplasm) ...
the asexual innocent .. and all other things ..
each of which contains the remembering ....
Yet within the densification of each being/non-being is contained the memory,
the consciousness and the innocence of the first (amorphous) emanation.
Because of the "great forgetting", the memory of the "amorphous emanation" from the "no-thing"
was projected outside of the physical density as something that was sought after but could never be known or attained.
It is from this "remembering" that, through myths and legends,
the concept of God (Gods) arose.
It is through religion that this became known as Father, Mother ..
The Consciousness of the Christ has the full remembering and the realisation (or making consciously real)
of the connection through the first emanation to the no-thing ...
Last night, my group, whole and complete, remembered the first emanation ... and were able to merge it with their physical bodies.
Innocence was remembered and made real in their bodies ..
For a group of dedicated people,
"Hu" was reunited with "man" not through what I told them ..
but from the remembering .. re-awakened.
This awakening of this remembering within the physical body in full consciousness
is the oft spoken about "Second Coming"of the Christ .... and it is the birthright of every man woman and child.
Christopher Wynter
Hobart Tasmania http://www.anunda.com/gateway.htm
my own discussion group
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/anunda
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:24:59 EST From: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
> It's flu, but in Kundalites it seems to be an evolutionary sickness..
Count me in too... :)
> Yes, waves of heat and then these wierd neck chills..
No neck chills with me, just pain, stiffness, and the urge to pop it with no luck for two weeks. The heat has been unbearable.
> Yes, there is huge cleansing going on... I am wanting a hot bath but
> concerned that I'll pass out in the tub..
I just got out of one....I almost passed out and now I'm sleepy and my owl babysitters are saying "come with us" I'll probably sleep soon, thankfully.
> Well, I tried to eat for a few days but then gave up trying and felt > better. Someone suggested I'm spontaneously becoming breatharian... wot?
I had to fight but after Thunder gave me three bind-runes my apetite has been normal....but the heat is still there, absolutely horrible in the calves. :(
> >I think i got past insanity, but the impact of other's reactions to me
> >for these changes, the outright hostility and resnetments and thinking > >I'm evil, really ugly emotions toward me, have really been heavy on me
> >lately.
I had that problem with pentecostals in Natchitoches, LA until I opened my crown chakra fully...then they decided I needed to heed the call god has given me. Them liking me turned out to be more a curse than a blessing.
You know, I just realized I am replying to two different people at once...too late now :) Hope you guys don't mind...LOL
I am feeling very fragile. Not my usual "bulletproof" self, at > all..
I had this same problem...my hubby not calling on time or not answering on time on IM had me crying this week and terrified...he can't believe I'm a baby again....
> > Just leave this bosdy laying there and let
> >myself slide over the edge, into that other realm, and I realized with a > >start that what I was thinking of was to die, just let myself, actually
> >choose to, let myself slip out of my body and leave it. That I could > >just chose to die, and that it was seeming a very attractive thing right
> >then, i felt so very tired, so very much in pain,..
Yes, week before last I was preparing myself mentally for it. I was happy, but I didn't get to leave.
> I think it is probably safe to follow your dreams to the other side.. > heck, I got maried to Hades
I've married Hades in the here and now ;) and I'm still here. *grins*
> > and inner voice says "Thou art Goddess". and I go, uhhh.. but but
> >> but....... eek. :o
Have you and me somehow gotten on the same wavelength...Thunder has left me to figure things out myself lately...and I'm going EEK!
Kimberly
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:35:26 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven CC: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Flexibility in the context of (Really wondering)
Hello,
I'd like to emphasize that in the case of energy blockages,
provoking heat in excess, yoga asanas are supposed to increase the passage of energy through flexibilily of the
spine.
Did you try asanas to relieve your pain ?
Greetings from France,
Froggy Jacques --
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:52:54 -0800 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering .. Some Answers
At 07:02 PM 1/12/00 -0800, Christopher Wynter wrote:
>I will try to find words to answer what has been posted on the subject by >both Jenell and Mystress Angelique.
Thankyou.
>I have found that for many, my perspective is a little different to what >they have been taught. I welcome any questions that you might have, because
>this is the first time I have attempted to concisely put what we have >learned into the written word.
Kewl!! Thankyou for your trust.
>This genetic memory is carried in both the nuclear DNA and also the >mitochondrial DNA.
OK, so far I'm with you... I have been working with a simple paradigm of "God the Father" .. unconditionally loving non-judgmental prana-chi life
energy, that cares not what form it takes.. and God the Mother: Shakti Kundalini as the unified consciousness of All DNA..
She is very interested in our forms and our lives and experience, and like Gopi Krisha sez, She has opinions about how life should evolve on this
planet.... She is the Fire Serpent. Piezieoelectrically glowing DNA. God the Mother. Her unconditional love does not always feel fuzzy and nice,
sometimes She spanks..
>The genetic imprinting process occurs as the cells remember patterns of >shock or trauma experienced by the body.
What Kundalini clears.. Karma= emotional baggage that limits.
>As the breath is caught, as the cells and the atoms and molecules within >the cells "freeze" so this energy is not allowed to move freely and become
>trapped within frozen expression. All my life my shoulder muscles coming from my neck have felt like
wood.. the mental pic is a child cringing from a blow.. now they are cold coz they are unfreezing? Makes sense.
>If there has been experience of plain, then that will be the physiological
>memory that has been trapped. >
>If there has been an enforced or encoded behaviour which traps the free >expression, then "keywords" or symbols can be part of the imprinting.
I have observed this also.. in myself and others..
>Genetic memory requires and environmental trigger in order to "manifest" >the disorder.
My use of role-play.. to engage the body-memories. I can only see Karma when it's active, so I poke it into showing up to be eaten.
Goddess provides other folks to poke mine. Like my hostile ex-friend... whom I used to hang out with because she was very difficult to love, and I
knew the challenge was good for my spiritual growth. However, her tendency to behave unlovably eventually proved bigger than my patience.
>For forming foetus in utero, the environmental trigger are the conscious
>and unconscious thoughts feelings and emotions of the mother. These can >set in place the basic patterns and beliefs that are followed unconsciously
>throughout the lifetime in this physical body.
Last time I did some healing on my Mother, I was working on her swollen feet and traced ridged toenails back to where her gall bladder used to be.
She told me again the story of her disappointment when the Doc predicted I was fem... told the story of how for the whole of her pregnancy, she had
wished with all her heart for me to be a boy.. she had 2 girls already and only one boy and wanted another boy.. my younger brother, born 2 years later.
She mentioned how being pregnant with me, was the start of her gall bladder problems.
I bit my tongue not to tell her, that her rejecting thoughts had created a Dominant girl, instead... who never felt like she was wanted in
her own family... or anywhere else, until enough love from many, mostly persuaded her otherwise.
:) Thank you all, for that.. :) Rejection issues have come up again, in certain insecurities with
regard to my plans to create a Kundalini retreat center. Fear of rejection makes it hard, to ask for what I want.. and what I want is for the
Government to hand over to me a small ghost town that they have already mostly demolished, including a 400 room residential hotel in the BC
Coastal Rainforest that has been abandoned for 20 years coz nobody else wants it.
So I have been asking to clear the remaining fears.. Goddess provides. She has also provided me with a slideshow of the town to keep me
motivated.. it is very beautiful.
>The body has programmed within it, a number of cycles of opportunity to >release this genetic imprinting.
> >The first is the birthing process .. Where the experience of being squeezed
>through the cervix and the vaginal opening massages the cells of body I remembered my birth when I fell into the void 3 years ago.. I was
born a week late and backwards, and I knew why. Refusing to come out, into a harsh fearful painful world that hurt too much, already. I got hauled out
anyways.. I have also found that tight bondage enthusiasts.. tend to be
ceasarian births.. they are still looking for the experience of constriction and limited movement that they missed. The soft thud of a
suede whip can be like the Mother's heartbeat.. profoundly transformative.
>At two years of age, there is a similar spontaneous Kundalini movement >which if repressed, imprints body memory into the Hypothalamus. (the
>source of the terrible two's) The plantpot incident.. rejected by Mom again..
>I hope that this may start to provide some sort of explanation in answer to
>part of what you have asked ... Yes, it has helped to balance my weary mind. Thank you so much!
>and if you would like me to continue along this thread, fully exploring
>your questions, please let me know. Go for it! That's what the list is for, eh? Blessings..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :) << I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. << -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:42:12 -0600 From: Jenell
CC: wynterATnospamone.net.au, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >
>went > into Victim for a bit, got over it again.
Yes, into and out of that, lots.
> It's flu, but in Kundalites it seems to be an evolutionary sickness..
> Aahhh! 'Normal people get the Asian flu, hong Kong flu. We get 'K' flu!
Well, i'm sure ready for it to flew right onto where ever flu flies to!
>
> > Yes, there is huge cleansing going on...
Had kinda figured that. Stinky sweat is often one of the after affects
of energy healing work, whether when on myself, or when I work on others. It's the relase of toxins. but I'm not sure what brought this
on, what is being 'healed'.
I am wanting a hot bath but > concerned that I'll pass out in the tub..
I took one, used strong smelly bubble bath andshower gel, but the smeel is back on me within an hour, and my dirty clothes I finally threw out
onto the back porch, they were so stinky with it. >
> Someone suggested I'm spontaneously becoming breatharian... wot? >
Careful, might become lightheaded there, now! Her? Oh, don't mind her, she's just some air head, you know! :)
> > my desire to smoke has flown out the window...
really ugly emotions toward me, have really been heavy on me > >lately.
> Sigh, ditto.. this was sparked last Friday by a flame from an > ex-friend I edited from my life more than 4 years ago.. and yesterday
> another friend raised her voice to me and I rolled up in a ball and started > crying... I am feeling very fragile. Not my usual "bulletproof" self, at
> all..
that has been a part of thisvery difficult for me. i had really gotten really good at keeping things like that in persepcitve, letting things
just rol ff, was really a 'cool and calm and collected' kind of person, until the past several years. I still know in my conscious mind these
things are their 'problem', notmine, and that they are acting out of ignroance and fear and their own hanng-ups and stuff, yet it hits me so
HARD, I've become that way, so very vulnerable to negative emotions, hurtfulness directed toward/at me, I feel so vulnerable now. Sometimes I
feel like such a wounded little child inside, as if I'm back again to being a little child, that couldn't stand up to the adults, powerless to
just tell them 'up yours' and walk away. At the same time, it's as if there's a 'set up' for shock to my emotional sysmten, becasue aparantly
my heart chakra is wide open, I seem to go around with it so open, exposed, sensitive, so very full of soft, loving feelings, and when
someone is hurtful toward me, it just hits like a terrible stringing dart. I guess soft is the word, I feel so very soft inside now. And the
walls, the shell, that once protected my heart, just aren't there any more. There's good to that, but also not so good. I'm more caring and
sensitive to others' needs and hurts, but at the same time, my own heart is wide open to hurtful darts.
> >
> However, my perceptions since are .. altered. The walls are glowing.
Walls?
> > >> Blessings..
> >> and Blessings to you, Sister, > >Jenell
> :) Blessed be! Thank Goddess for the comfort of shared experience.. >
> Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com > Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
> 8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :) > << I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
> << than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. > << -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
> >
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:57:20 -0600
From: Jenell CC: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com wrote:
> >
> Count me in too... :) >
What have we got here, an epidemic?!
> No neck chills with me, just pain, stiffness,
Yes, same here
and the urge to pop it with no luck for two weeks.
Don't tell me THAT! Mine just started a few days ago!
The heat has been unbearable.
this 'heat' i'm having, it;s not like 'regular' k heat (regular? listen
to Me! like all this is regular!) It's more like when you've overworked a muscle, and you have that burning sensation and aching soreness in it
later?
> > I had that problem with pentecostals in Natchitoches, LA until I opened my crown chakra fully...then they decided I needed to heed the call god has given me. Them liking me turned out to be more a curse than a blessing.
Seems to depend on the people at each and how you look to them. One
place told me i was demon possessed, another seems to want to have me around. I'm wary, though, if they knew all of this connected to it, I
don't figure they'd be so eager to have my 'laying of hands touch' on their folks there! I feel such an urge to do that, the 'shaktipat' thing
or whatever it is, but i do feel respect for them and their own beleifs, if they'd be uncomfortable knowing all this, I feel it not right for me
to do it with them not knowing about it. >
> You know, I just realized I am replying to two different people at once...too late now :) Hope you guys don't mind...LOL
just call it a three for all. :) >
> > heck, I got maried to Hades
> > I've married Hades in the here and now ;) and I'm still here. *grins*
So did I, but I got him over and done with by the time I was 21!
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:59:27 -0600
From: Jenell CC: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Flexibility in the context of (Really wondering)
jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr wrote:
> > Did you try asanas to relieve your pain ?
> > Greetings from France,
> > Froggy Jacques
> -- > Are they anything like bananas? gosh, I don't know all these Hindu terms! what's an asana?
Jenell
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:27:04 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven CC: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com,
kundaliniATnospamtopica.com Subject: Bananas (Flexibility in the context of (Really wondering))
Jenell asked : > Are they anything like bananas? gosh, I don't know all these Hindu terms! what's an
asana? Jenell
Hello Jenell,
Sorry,
It is simply positions ;-))), as opposed to breathing
(pranayama). Locks are called bandas (for getting right pressure at the right place). With these few words, you know
as much as I do ;-))).
No less, no more.
Froggy
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http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/html/carrefour.html Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:40:15 EST From: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Flexibility in the context of (Really wondering)
> Hello,
> > I'd like to emphasize that in the case of energy blockages,
> provoking heat in excess, yoga asanas are supposed to > increase the passage of energy through flexibilily of the
> spine. >
> Did you try asanas to relieve your pain ?
I've tried in the past. None of the traditional methods have done anything other than worsen symptoms, so I "use the body and mind as a textbook" as it were.
Kimberly
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