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On 2000/01/08 04:32, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:
-- Topica Digest --
Started Practicing Today
By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
Wim's tongue mudra and Tibetan dream shaktipat ?
By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
Re: Re hands and feet and fu;nny sensations
By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com
Re: Interim report New Years Poll...Love
By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com
Re: Wim's tongue mudra and Tibetan dream shaktipat ?
By aurasphereATnospamhome.com
Re: Interim report New Years Poll...Love
By GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 16:15:23 0000
From: "winter mute" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
Subject: Started Practicing Today
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Only the gate
of the abbey is left,
on the winter moor.
-Shiki
On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:02:52 Wim Borsboom wrote:
>Starting the millennium with K sounds OK to me.
>Y2K, maybe that K stands for Kundalini as well.
>Any more puns with a K anyone?
Y2K : You 2 Kundalini ... ;))
And don't forget, it is the Year of the Dragon.
:)
Hi Eric, good luck on your Kundalini Yoga practice. Surprisingly enough, there's not that
many ppl on this list that practice Kundalini
Yoga formally. :)
I for one don't, it's the Kundalini which
practices yoga on me. ;))
Dreams become more clear when Kundalini is up
and running.
Thanks for the joke, Wim, I hadn't thought about
that before. :)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:00:07 0000
From: "winter mute" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
Subject: Wim's tongue mudra and Tibetan dream shaktipat ?
Dear list,
Had an odd experience this morning.
I would like to hear some comments on the
events, what they could mean, if I have
interpreted them correctly, whether there is
anything to "interpret", etc, etc.
I know this is a long description, but
please bear with me... or just delete. :)
Kundalini has been fairly calm the last few days, perhaps due to lots of physical work
(moving).
But this morning, it did a lot of things.
First, there was energy going up into the head
and over the face as per usual this month.
But then the energy collected in a new place,
it came up from the chakra at the back of the
head and collected somewhere in the middle of
the head, behind the eyes.
I perceived the energy there as tiny white sparks flying about and the tongue started
moving.
I could hear myself make some odd sounds and realized the tongue was moving up towards the back of the palate and the nasal cavity.
But there was such a one-
pointedness of the mind, I was determined to
make it work and there was no discomfort at all.
On the other hand, there was a lot of bliss, determination, relief and a feeling "I"
wasn't doing a single thing, the energy was
looking after it all.
I felt quite safe and held the breath for a
while to let the energy work in the mouth
and head. I could hardly feel what happened
and I could definitely not have done that
in a "normal" state of mind.
I was reminded of the tongue mudra
Wim mentioned a few months back in connection
with the "sex juice" posts. I think this may
have been something similar, although I
couldn't feel any nectar in the mouth afterwards, only energy.
After the tongue mudra, hand mudras
appeared which again, I could not have done
otherwise, twisting the hands and clasping them
together so I worried a little the fingers
might break.
When it calmed down, I thought
this is it for today, I fell asleep.
Started astral projecting as sometimes happens
when trying to sleep with much energy in the
body, but instead of just hovering helplessly
over the bed as I usually do, this time I was
up and walking and creating things along the
way, feeling they appear in my hand
as I thought about them.
I passed a few scary looking mind
creations, but they let me stroll on.
Must have been all the nice 3D computer
games I have been playing lately which allowed
for better control. ;)
Then a dream started up. The dream setting was
a paranoid fantasy of being locked up
in a small room
by ppl having taken over some public
organization / institution, due to knowing
secrets that could topple the conspiracy.
The dream setting is not important.
A woman came to interrogate me and sat down next
to the bed I was in, by the headboard.
She started chanting and I recognized it as
Tibetan (although I had no idea what the
words meant). While she chanted, some geometric
forms appeared in the air as well as
some of the
concentric circles of light I have been seeing
the last few days.
Then she held her hand above my head. Her hand
was guided to three small chakras on the left
side of my head, one right above the ear, the
other at the temple and the third higher up
along the line of the
crown chakra. Then a huge surge of energy came
in from her hand, rolled around in my head and
went down through the body.
The energy rushed through me like a ball of
pure light and made all thoughts and emotions
disjointed and disconnected. It was as if
the mind disappeared altogether and only the
rush of energy could be felt, thought or sensed
and at the edges of the rush, even that could
not be felt at all.
The rush lasted for what felt like several minutes, completely incapacitating me
but without hurting at all and without
eliciting any fear.
In the dream the woman did this to make
me speak the secrets I knew, but all that
was just mind stuff, decoration for what really
happened.
My mind a rushing cauldron of nothingness,
I nevertheless managed to slowly form the words
"Give... me... more..." with the mind and the mouth, struggling to collect and condense enough
of the mind to say this.
LOL ! I must really be an energy hog,
I couldn't move or think, but
hadn't gotten enough.
The woman attempted to give me another blast
into the corresponding head chakras on the
right side, but there, the energy surge was much
less and not as encompassing.
I spent some time after that talking with ppl
inside the dream, trying to resolve the events
there and more time just lying on a bed with
energy rushing through the mindbody,
dissolving the mind like wind dissolves fog.
The dream setting disappeared
as the mind "disappeared" and the consciosness
floated away.
At one point I managed to say to
a dream character, the famous biologist
Jay S. Gould: I'm sorry, I would have loved to
talk to you more, but I can't keep my mind
together more than this.
The mind dissolved into the stream of
energy several times and then I woke up.
The chakra at the back of the head was warm,
but apart from that, I felt like normal,
with the mind relatively intact. There's only
a nice tingle inside the head at times.
What happened ?
Did I receive some kind of shaktipat
or was it just a dream built around the
extra energy Kundalini can send when the
mind is in sleep ?
Best regards,
Amanda.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:42:45 -0800
From: "meetjf" <meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re hands and feet and fu;nny sensations
Yes Loulou,
I feel the same way about mine! I can actually feel it suck the energy
out of me. I found out that if I move the keyboard away and behind the
computer so I cannot see the screen and am away from the processor that I
feel better as well. But that makes it really hard to see what I have
written and all the mistakes that I make when sending messages. When I
first got my computer, I blew out three hard drives in two years because my
energy was just wacked out..I also used to turn on my answering machine by
walking by it...in the middle of a message, even though I could never get to
the middle of a message before because it is recorded on a chip not a tape.
I also used to flicker lights, zap my car..ect... Now that my energy is
more calm and I don't do that anymore, I think that the machines in the
world are getting back at me and zapping me (hehe...just kidding). Anyway
the roles have reversed. But I have learned in the last seven years that K
is always changing. So who knows what will happen next. Much love, Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Hanvey <loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com <kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:01 PM
snip>>Anyway the point is the computer used to literally suck the energy out
of my
>body. I'm not exagerating, it was awful. >>
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:09:07 -0800
From: "meetjf" <meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Interim report New Years Poll...Love
Hi Hillary,
My K was awakened by some exercises that I was doing and didn't know what
I was doing! I began having seizures within a week of starting them...this
scared me off, so I stopped the exercises...stopped doing any energy work, I
was also doing tai chi and some others, because I would get the same
seizures from them. I asked around but nobody seemed to be able to help me
or know what it was...they just said I should stop..so I did. Then
everything went to hell. For four years after that I had developed one
illness after another...strange things like heart thumps, asthma, migraines,
chemical sensitivity,strange pains, mental/emotional unbalance, fatigue and
finally fibromyalgia. I also began to have the worse luck in the world,
everything that could go wrong did. From floods, deaths, car problems,
family troubles, fires...the list goes on. I became a reiki healer to help
me out...which it did. Things started to calm down and I began to feel
bliss and love, but the fibromyalgia is still with me. I think that my
material body cannot adjust to the energy of K and until it can, I will be
stuck with it. But I still didn't know what was going on with me, until a
fellow reiki healer told me that it sounded like Kundalini awakening...and
tada! It hit me like a bolt of lightening. I researched it and found out,
that I had all the symptoms. So anyway, love didn't start it but I ended up
with it in everything. Much love, Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: druoutATnospamaol.com <druoutATnospamaol.com>
To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com <kundaliniATnospamtopica.com>
<<Dear List,
Only eight people have responded to the poll so far. I am surprised there
have not more. Perhaps people feel their sentiments have already been
wonderfully expressed already, but I'd love to have more replies.
:))>>sniped
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:12:11 -0800
From: "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Wim's tongue mudra and Tibetan dream shaktipat ?
Dear Amanda
You wrote:
>I could hear myself make some odd sounds and realized the tongue was moving
up towards the back of the palate and the nasal cavity.
Yes, that is the Kechari Mudra as I observed with myself and one of my
clients (Sheila), as I read up about it (Mostly in Hatha Yoga Pradipika and
Harish Joharis's accounts), according to my intuition and memories of some
states of yogis who since moved into Amrita. Now with Sheila it caused her
to be in a very quiet state, no talking whatsoever for days on end on and
off. Communication with her being straight 'conscious energy' transfer
(consciousness energy) very strong 'grand' love was the response in me. Also
her eyes would (not all the time) move upwards so that only the white would
be showing, happened with me as well. Myself, I did not get into the
non-speaking stage, not from that point anyways.
Look for SELF EVIDENCE. Comfort, strength, peace and bliss are the signs.
What you experience with these signs IS what happens, IS what is real. What
you experience without comfort, with fear, weakness and turmoil is
illusion... to be passed off as 'a reaction to external malevolent
manipulation, that creates a fearful dependency'.
You did well there in your dream. Do not explain or look for deeper meaning.
WHAT you dream is the deepest meaning that you can process at that moment.
The dream state may use some translating transformation of deeper reality,
that you otherwise would not be able to grasp. Remember there is only self,
when it comes down to shaktipat... there is really no external agent who
gives it... One is ready for the grace of shaktipat when one accepts grace
from one's innermost and most integral self.
I'll leave it at this for now, will get deeper into your dream later, I
hope.
Love,
Wim
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:23:02 EST
From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Interim report New Years Poll...Love
Dear Hillary,
l don't know why your poll hasn't drawn more responses, as l felt it
posed very worthwhile questions -- and l've enjoyed the comments that you,
Jennell and William have made ( l don't recall the others). lt's probably a
result of reduced list participation overall recently.
l didn't respond at
first because l wasn't sure what to say. My k began about 8 months after the
terribly difficult ending of my last relationship -- one in which l'd forced
myself to let go of someone l still really loved. One thing l did which
enabled me to move on was intensify my meditation practice, and it wasn't
long before k awakened. At the time l looked on it in a way as my reward for
having giiven her up. l felt l'd done the right thing, suffered tremendous
pain in doing so, and that God was rewarding me for it -- and also that it
showed that l'd made the right decision about her and in looking higher in my
own quest. Little did l know what was in store for me! ha ha l've often
reflected back on my naivete then.
The descriptions that you and others have
provided about the connection between love and your k journeys sound
beautiful to me. l can definitely relate to this, although l don't feel my
own experience has reached this level yet. l know every k experience is
unique and is to be respected as such, but l personally feel it is incomplete
if it doesn't include a shattering and vast expansion of one's heart -- a
feeling of being in love with the world -- of even being love itself. Now,
from reading many of our letters to this list, one might think few of us are
experiencing this (lol!), but l suspect that alot of us are -- at least in
our better moments.
love,
jerry
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