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Subject: Digest for kundaliniATnospamtopica.com, issue 17
From: Kundalini
On 2000/01/06 04:32, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:
-- Topica Digest --
cold hands ..warm heart :-) By LaurelSpringATnospamaol.com
Re: Message from Linda : permanent intense feeling in themiddle of
By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com
missing posts By kandulATnospamg-net.net
Re: Glitches
By GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
Fwd: By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
unsubscribe
By shayeseATnospamjuno.com
Off Topic [Fwd: FDA Attacks The Internet] By david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Re hands and feet and fu;nny sensations
By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
Karins Query By howardbreckonATnospamhotmail.com
Fran's cold areas
By howardbreckonATnospamhotmail.com
Re: Fwd: PLEASE HELP] By howardbreckonATnospamhotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:44:01 EST
From: LaurelSpringATnospamaol.com CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
Subject: cold hands ..warm heart :-)
Hello!
< have problems trying to use my fingers, they feel cold, and when eg.
typing they quickly lose the strength. >>
I recently was listening to Dr Weil's "Breathing the Master Key to Self Healing" and he said that one of the reasons we get cold hands and feet was
due to lack of oxygen. He said when there is a lack the oxygen goes first to protect the vital organs...hence the old saying cold hands warm heart...lol.
I also have this problem and have started trying to get in more oxygen and concentrate on deep diaphramatic breathing...Im not sure if this is
applicable but it sure has helped me.
Bright Blessings Fran
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:27:53 -0800 From: "meetjf"
Subject: Re: [K-list] Message from Linda : permanent intense feeling in themiddle of
Ville said:
snip>> >I have problems trying to use my fingers, they feel cold, and when eg.
>typing they quickly lose the strength. This has been going on for a few >weeks. In the beginning they felt like I had frozen them, so that when
>pouring warm water over them they felt like burning. To some extent the >same thing applies to my feet. I wonder if this is k-related... I already
>saw a doctor about them, he didn't have anything to say, but I will see a >neurologist later this month>>
Dear Ville, I often have had this problem but usually after being on the computer for
over an hour. Something about the electronics seem to affect my extremities, especialy my hands and feet. It takes about an hour to get them warm again.
Sometimes they even go white and numb at the toes and finger tips. I now donot go on the computer that long. I do think it is K related but it is
always a good thing to check it out with your doc. Much love, Julie
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:42:42 -0500 From: Marsha & Stephen
Subject: missing posts
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I'm not on AOL and have not been receiving the posts referred to below. = In fact, I get only about 4 messages per day from the K list. Something =
is askew.
Marsha
In a message dated 1/4/00 5:21:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, = druoutATnospamaol.com=20
writes:
> Yes. I haven't been getting Amanda's, Loulou's or Tony's posts = directly--I=20
> have to pick them up at Topica's website. Maybe it's AOL?? Anyone = else??
> =20 If this means that these folks have been posting, then yes, me too!
Could be AOL...but doubtful...though I'm on AOL too...and AOL does have = its=20
bugs...can't see, easily, how it would block mail...more easy to see = mail not=20
being sent...
Sarva Mangalam! ~James
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I'm not on AOL and have =
not been=20 receiving the posts referred to below. In fact, I get only about 4 =
messages per=20 day from the K list. Something is askew.
Marsha
In a message dated =
1/4/00 5:21:35 PM=20 Pacific Standard Time, druoutATnospamaol.com=20
writes:> Yes. I haven't been getting Amanda's, = Loulou's or=20
Tony's posts directly--I > have to pick them up at Topica's =
website. Maybe it's AOL?? Anyone else??> If = this=20
means that these folks have been posting, then yes, me too!Could be=20 AOL...but doubtful...though I'm on AOL too...and AOL does have its=20
bugs...can't see, easily, how it would block mail...more easy to see = mail=20
not being sent...Sarva=20 Mangalam!~James
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:07:13 EST
From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com Subject: Re: [K-list] Glitches
In a message dated 1/4/00 8:21:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, druoutATnospamaol.com writes:
< Dear Michael,
Yes. I haven't been getting Amanda's, Loulou's or Tony's posts directly--I
have to pick them up at Topica's website. Maybe it's AOL?? Anyone else??
Love, Hillary >>
l haven't been getting them either. l've wondered also about the
reduced number of posts to the list. OK, there have been times that l've felt there were way too many (LOL!), but lately it's seemed like the other
extreme. l'm also on aol, and my post made it to the list.
jerry
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:28:49 +0000 From: shayeseATnospamjuno.com
Subject: unsubscribe
On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:07:53 -0800 kundaliniATnospamtopica.com writes:
> -- Topica Digest -- >
> Re: The Heart (was:New Years Poll...Love) > By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
> > Re: Hello again :-)
> By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com >
> Re: cold K > By meetjfATnospamemail.msn.com
> > Re: cold K
> By LaurelSpringATnospamaol.com >
> Re: New Years Poll...Love > By castersATnospamtbaytel.net
> > Fwd: PLEASE HELP]
> By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com >
> Beliefs > By fluteATnospamcreate.org
> > an interesting experience
> By GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com >
> Re: an interesting experience > By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
> > Re: New Years Poll...Love
> By SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com >
> Goodbye Sai Baba > By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
> > Hello again
> By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com >
> New Years Poll...Love > By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
> > Cold K
> By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com >
> ------------------------------------------------------------ >
> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 07:56:29 -0600 > From: Jenell
> CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com > Subject: Re: [K-list] The Heart (was:New Years Poll...Love)
> >
> Sverker Nykvist wrote: > >
> > > > (But it seems like the changes has to be much more radical than I
> would wish > > for.....)
> > /Sverker > >
> > I think this aspect is what Jesus spoke of as His setting father > against son, brother against brother, etc. For both we become no
> longer able to function in our previous circumstances, and the > resistance of those around us that don't want us to change, growth
> and awakening often results in unavoidable changes in our lives, > restructuring, not only in our work, but our relationships. I'm
> beginning to think that divorce, for those married, is almost > inevitable, as one begins to grow and evolve and is no longer what
> their partner would want them to conitue being. As we grow beyond > our roles in co-dependency and as enablers for those around us, they
> often react strongly, and badly, for of course, it scares them. So > much in my life has already shifted, come to a point I realize it's
> time to take a more active part in that, I'm recognizing the effects > on me in many areas of my life, and not only that I need to change
> them, but understanding why. But for sure, much isn't what we wo! > uld have thought, or wanted, to come about. And some can be so hard
> to turn loose of, it can be so painful to leave it behind. > Jenell
> >
> ------------------------------ >
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:13:19 -0800 > From: "meetjf"
> Subject: Re: [K-list] Hello again :-) >
> > Hello Fran,
> Nice to see you back on the list. I am not suprised to hear > that your
> energy has increased. My K-intuition is telling me that this year > will be
> a fantastic one for all K-lites. This will be a year of great > growth and
> increased energy....hope all your energy pathways are strong and > your blocks
> are weak (hehe). Speaking of intuition, has anyone noticed theirs > has been
> more accurate? I always was pretty psychic, did tarot, > psychometry...I no
> longer do those..but now I can pick up all sorts of things that turn > out
> just the way I said or felt they would. I amaze myself! May be > time for me
> to do the lotto, huh? Anyway, Happy New Year all! Much love, Julie >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------ >
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:52:44 -0800 > From: "meetjf"
> Subject: Re: [K-list] cold K >
> >
> > <Greetings again :-)
> > I have had something happening recently that I wanted to run by you
> guys... > I am very familiar with the hot feelings of my K but recently its
> taken a > different turn that has me quite discomboobilated ...
> I am getting cold icy energy. >> >
> Dear Fran, > I have had this happen to me as well. Freaked me out too,
> because I > always tend to run too hot! Mine happened because I used water and
> ice > method of visualization to melt blocks...that were not there,
> (dangerous!), > I thought that I was going to freeze to death! I felt as if there
> was a > layer of icy wind on me that no blanket, heater could melt through.
> I felt > as if I was leaving my body for good. It took about four hours to
> get rid > of, and I had to do the opposite visualization of warmth and sun the
> whole > time. But on the good side, I don't run as hot as I used to all day
> long, > mostly just at night now. It could be that your system is just
> trying to > balance out between yin and yang energy, it tends to go to extremes
> to get > there. A word to the wise for everyone...just because you feel pain
> from K > energy does not mean you have blocks! This is just the way your
> body reacts > to K energy, some material matter cannot adjust to the amount and
> type of K > energy that runs through it...so it hurts. Trying to melt blocks
> that are > not there, could just harm you more. Don't listen to other people
> that say > you have them...look and listen to your own body in deep
> meditation..and if > they are there you will find them. Much love, Julie
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:02:09 EST
> From: LaurelSpringATnospamaol.com > CC: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
> Subject: Re: [K-list] cold K >
> > Yes Julie!
> > < I thought that I was going to freeze to death! I felt as if
> there was a > layer of icy wind on me that no blanket, heater could melt through.
> >> >
> You hit the nail on the head with this one! It feels like ice water > running
> up my spine...so you think warm visualizations might help? I'll give > it a
> try..hopefully it will even out soon..it would have been nicer if it > had
> happened in say August..LOL K sure if full of surprises. Thanks > again for
> the input! >
> Hugs > Fran
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:32:25 -0500
> From: BreadCasters > Subject: Re: New Years Poll...Love
> >
> In response to Hillary's question: >
> Love wasn't just a part of my awakening, love was my awakening. I > really didn't have a clue what love was until the divine energy
> poured > from the base of my spine, up my back and out the top of my head
> early > one December morning in 1981. I knew without a doubt that God was
> love, > that I was loved, and that salvation was a free gift for all. This
> experience instantly cured the panic attacks that had nearly driven > me
> to suicide, and gave me the courage to endure the tribulations of > the
> ego I had yet to encounter. I cannot tell you how grateful I was, > and
> am. >
> Blessings for the new millenium to all. >
> Robert > (http://www.breadcasters.com)
> > On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:03:11 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > Dear List,
> > How many of us feel that "love" had a part in their
> *awakening*. I > leave the
> term vague on purpose. I thought it would be interesting to > see the
> variety > of ways in which love is defined and experienced in conjuction
> with K. >
> Yes and No answers are equally welcome, though. And as > always, be free
> to > answer on or off list.
> > Love to all :))
> > Hillary
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:43:20 PST
> From: "Marion Hanvey" > Subject: Fwd: PLEASE HELP]
> >
> I received this letter from this gentleman. I wrote and told him I > would
> post it on the k list where there would be people who would help > him/(blew
> it of course) so I'm forwarding it this way. > Regards Loulou
> >
> >From: presiden soeharto > >To: "Marion Hanvey"
> >Subject: PLEASE HELP] > >Date: 3 Jan 00 12:23:45 JVT
> > > >could you tell me,
> >am'i realize soul, i mean was my kundalini risen? > >
> >thanks > >yanuar
> > > >____
> >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > >http://webmail.netscape.com.
> > ______________________
> >
> >
> ------------------------------ >
> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:13:11 -0600 > From: Carolyn Maloney
> Subject: Beliefs >
> > I think the new Book "The Original Handbook of Dr. Usui" by Arjava
> Petter will be hitting many people rather hard as well. > The teachings of Reiki were not by mouth only, Dr. Usui was never a
> doctor in actuality, Usui San was Buddist not a Christian Minister > and,
> and Takata wasn't the only living Master..There is still a Reiki > Association in Japan that originated with Usui. Reiki is pronounced
> Lay > Ki and not Ray Ki.. Japanese don't say r's like we do, and list goes
> on. >
> There are some that will be disappointed, however I am elated. > There has been almost a fanatical religious approach and $10,000
> fees to > Reiki that has been rather frustrating in my part of the country. I
> am > glad to finally see that we are back to; "Reiki is not a religion"
> and > "Reiki is for everyone". If Reiki hadn't evolved then we wouldn't
> know > about it. Om shanti, shanti, shanti
> > Has anyone read Conversations with God.. great book..quote
> "Words are merely utterances: noises that stand for feelings, > thoughts,
> and experience. They are symbols, signs, insignias. Words may help > you
> understand something. Experience allows you to know." >
> ..now I know that words have vibrations but the vibration of intent > when
> combined with the vibration of the sound of words make the > experience..
> > --
> flute > http://www.create.org/healingarts/reiki.htm
> http://www.create.org/bbs - Bulletin Board > "The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day
> runs > through the world and dances in rhythmic measures." R. Tagore
> >
> ------------------------------ >
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:01:30 EST > From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
> Subject: an interesting experience >
> > l had an interesting experience a few weeks ago. My closest
> spiritual friend > (Elizabeth) is a reiki practitioner with a background in Tibetan
> Buddhism and > a connection with some monks who are at a center in Bloomington,
> lndiana, not > far from Cincinnati where l live. Elizabeth knows my long standing
> k > problems better than anyone, and although her reiki has never been
> able to > help my condition, she's been a wonderful source of support over the
> years. > Elizabeth has a center which the Bloomington monks visit once a
> month to give > teachings, etc. -- she always invites me over, but l never go,
> feeling that > since my k condition prevents me from doing any spiritual practices,
> there's > really no point in it. But l decided to accept her invitation to
> attend a few > weeks ago, because her monks were bringing along a contingent of
> lamas from a > monastary in lndia who were traveling around the US giving healings
> and > accepting donations in return for their monastary. Although nothing
> has ever > helped my k problems, l guess one never completely loses hope.
> >
> > When l went over to her place that Sunday afternoon the first thing
> that > struck me was how much it felt like l was in a Tibetan center, as
> there were > lamas all over the place --- it was a pleasant culture shock. When
> my turn > came l was shown into a room where l was greeted by what was
> obviously a very > high lama --- he was older than the rest, with short gray hair and a
> broad > toothy smile that radiated tremendous warmth and compassion. At his
> side was > a young lama serving as his interpreter who engaged me in
> conversation about > why l was there and what we would be doing. As l sat there, l
> wanted to > just soak in the atmosphere and vibrations --- because of k, it'd
> been 4 > years since l'd been able to leave home to be with anyone like this
> -- > memories flooded back -- in their presence l was experiencing a
> feeling l > had nearly forgotten: my heart melting in reverence to a holy being.
> >
> >
> > lt took about a half hour to complete our conversation and go
> through the > healing ritual, which consisted mostly of saying mantras and doing
> visualizations, which l told them l could hardly do at all, because > sustained
> focusing always causes headaches and stomach problems. At the end > the lama
> gave me several tiny red pellets which he said had been blessed > both by
> himself and the Dalai Lama -- he said to dissolve them in water and > dab the
> water on my problem areas. As l was leaving the room, l turned and > looked at
> him one last time and again found his loving gaze. When l emerged, > Elizabeth
> was right there with a big hug. Her helper told me she'd been crying > while l
> had been in the session, praying that l would at last, finally find > help, and
> l was so touched that l cried too while we embraced. She said there > were
> several lamas giving healings but that she'd made sure l saw this > one.
> >
> > l left
> there feeling that l'd never forget the expression on the lama's > face -- that
> if that was the only thing l got, it had been worth it -- and l > certainly
> didn't expect anything more. l didn't experience any improvement > the next
> couple days. But l did dissolve one of the pellets in a glass of > water, and
> when l dabbed some on my brow chakra --where l've experienced > constant aching
> for 7 years-- energy immediately began to move there. The same thing > happened
> with my stomach, low back and crown: my other problem areas. lt's > been that
> way for 3 weeks now, although l've used it sparingly because of its > strong
> effect. l put it on my crown only once because afterward l was > headachy and
> groggy, and my stomach also has become upset with liberal usage -- > so l'm
> playing it by ear. My chronic low back ache is also unchanged. But > l have
> had more movement in my brow and crown areas than at any other time > in the
> last 5 years. >
> You > know, it's
> really neat to have this supply of shakti water which l can apply on > my own
> terms! So much better than having to put up with one of these > fricking gurus,
> where you have to put up with all the bullshit and never know what > you're
> going to get! ha ha ha And l've got enough pellets to last me for > years
> .... or, in other words, all the way to self realization, thank you! > (LOL!)
> When l told Elizabeth about this she was thrilled, but also somewhat > puzzled,
> in that apparently neither she nor anyone else received any of these > pellets.
> Who knows? l haven't really thought about it, and l've learned not > to have
> any expectations where k is concerned. But after 7-1/2 yrs of pain > and
> frustration, it's nice to feel hopeful again. >
> >
> >
> jerry >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:51:58 PST
> From: "Marion Hanvey" > Subject: Re: [K-list] an interesting experience
> >
> Dear Jerry, > Perhaps nobody else received the pellets because they didn't need
> them. You > appear to have met a great soul.
> May the Divine continue to bless you. > Lots of Love
> Loulou >
> > >From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com
> >Reply-To: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com > >To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
> >Subject: [K-list] an interesting experience > >Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:02:05 -0800
> > > >l had an interesting experience a few weeks ago. My closest
> spiritual > >friend
> >(Elizabeth) is a reiki practitioner with a background in Tibetan > Buddhism
> >and > >a connection with some monks who are at a center in Bloomington,
> lndiana, > >not
> >far from Cincinnati where l live. Elizabeth knows my long standing > k
> >problems better than anyone, and although her reiki has never been > able to
> >help my condition, she's been a wonderful source of support over > the years.
> >Elizabeth has a center which the Bloomington monks visit once a > month to
> >give > >teachings, etc. -- she always invites me over, but l never go,
> feeling that > >since my k condition prevents me from doing any spiritual
> practices, > >there's
> >really no point in it. But l decided to accept her invitation to > attend a
> >few > >weeks ago, because her monks were bringing along a contingent of
> lamas from > >a
> >monastary in lndia who were traveling around the US giving healings > and
> >accepting donations in return for their monastary. Although nothing > has
> >ever > >helped my k problems, l guess one never completely loses hope.
> > > >When l went over to her place that Sunday afternoon the first thing
> that > >struck me was how much it felt like l was in a Tibetan center, as
> there > >were
> >lamas all over the place --- it was a pleasant culture shock. When > my turn
> >came l was shown into a room where l was greeted by what was > obviously a
> >very > >high lama --- he was older than the rest, with short gray hair and
> a broad > >toothy smile that radiated tremendous warmth and compassion. At his
> side > >was
> >a young lama serving as his interpreter who engaged me in > conversation
> >about > >why l was there and what we would be doing. As l sat there, l
> wanted to > >just soak in the atmosphere and vibrations --- because of k, it'd
> been 4 > >years since l'd been able to leave home to be with anyone like this
> -- > >memories flooded back -- in their presence l was experiencing a
> feeling l > >had nearly forgotten: my heart melting in reverence to a holy
> being. > >
> > > >lt took about a half hour to complete our conversation and go
> through the > >healing ritual, which consisted mostly of saying mantras and doing
> >visualizations, which l told them l could hardly do at all, because >
> >sustained > >focusing always causes headaches and stomach problems. At the end
> the lama > >gave me several tiny red pellets which he said had been blessed
> both by > >himself and the Dalai Lama -- he said to dissolve them in water and
> dab the > >water on my problem areas. As l was leaving the room, l turned and
> looked > >at
> >him one last time and again found his loving gaze. When l emerged, >
> >Elizabeth > >was right there with a big hug. Her helper told me she'd been
> crying while > >l
> >had been in the session, praying that l would at last, finally find > help,
> >and > >l was so touched that l cried too while we embraced. She said
> there were > >several lamas giving healings but that she'd made sure l saw this
> one. > >
> > > l left
> >there feeling that l'd never forget the expression on the lama's > face --
> >that > >if that was the only thing l got, it had been worth it -- and l
> certainly > >didn't expect anything more. l didn't experience any improvement
> the next > >couple days. But l did dissolve one of the pellets in a glass of
> water, > >and
> >when l dabbed some on my brow chakra --where l've experienced > constant
> >aching > >for 7 years-- energy immediately began to move there. The same
> thing > >happened
> >with my stomach, low back and crown: my other problem areas. lt's > been that
> >way for 3 weeks now, although l've used it sparingly because of its > strong
> >effect. l put it on my crown only once because afterward l was > headachy and
> >groggy, and my stomach also has become upset with liberal usage -- > so l'm
> >playing it by ear. My chronic low back ache is also unchanged. But > l have
> >had more movement in my brow and crown areas than at any other > time in the
> >last 5 years. > > You
> know, it's > >really neat to have this supply of shakti water which l can apply
> on my own > >terms! So much better than having to put up with one of these
> fricking > >gurus,
> >where you have to put up with all the bullshit and never know what > you're
> >going to get! ha ha ha And l've got enough pellets to last me for > years
> >.... or, in other words, all the way to self realization, thank > you!
> >(LOL!) > >When l told Elizabeth about this she was thrilled, but also
> somewhat > >puzzled,
> >in that apparently neither she nor anyone else received any of > these
> >pellets. > >Who knows? l haven't really thought about it, and l've learned not
> to have > >any expectations where k is concerned. But after 7-1/2 yrs of pain
> and > >frustration, it's nice to feel hopeful again.
> > > >
> >jerry > >
> > > >
> > > >Unsubscribe from this list by sending email to:
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:38:09 EST
> From: SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com > Subject: Re: [K-list] New Years Poll...Love
> >
> > How many of us feel that "love" had a part in their *awakening*. >
> I still don't pretend to know what love is. My awakening came at > the time of the breaking down of self-hate. Perhaps it was the
> beginning of self-love, I don't know. Maybe I never will, but > something changed that occasionally leaves me wondering if the
> change was for the better, whatever that is. >
> Kimberly >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:54:10 0000
> From: "winter mute" > Subject: Goodbye Sai Baba
> >
> On Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:41:51 Tony O'Clery wrote: >
> >So now the last part of the journey is, now that I am > >on the river bank, to swim across by myself. Go
> >within my man! Go within! Be a spiritual aspirant! > >There are no Avatars only the Self!
> > That's right !
> Best of luck in swimming, Tony ! >
> It was brave of you to share all that with > the lists.
> > You taught me a lesson in compassion today,
> so I thank you. >
> Best regards, >
> Amanda. >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:09:19 0000
> From: "winter mute" > Subject: Hello again
> >
> > On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 09:51:57 Fran Frankfort wrote:
> > >Warm Greetings {all} and Best wishes in the New Year!
> > > >My K has been kicking up a storm and Im feeling frazzled
> >where else would I go..who else would understand...I have missed > you
> >
> Hi Fran ! >
> Good to see you back ! >
> Happy New Year to you as well ! >
> I was wondering "where has Ms. Frankfort > disappeared to ? She never posts to the list
> any more." just the other day. :) >
> Best regards, >
> Amanda. >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:56:23 0000
> From: "winter mute" > Subject: New Years Poll...Love
> >
> > On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:03:43 druout wrote:
> > >How many of us feel that "love" had a part in >their *awakening*.
> > Hi Hilary and rest of list.
> > Thanks for the interesting question.
> This must be a difficult question to poll. > :)
> > To make a straight answer first:
> Love had everything to do with the > activation of my K, from day one.
> > Then the crooked and long answer:
> > With the susumna open, my childhood was not
> one filled with bliss or love, but > fuelled with energy from the 3 lower
> chakras. > But when the energy became really noticeable
> in the heart chakra, the energy itself was > felt as nothing but pure and undiluted,
> unconditonal love. >
> The energy became noticeable after the mind > had time to sit down and
> see how little love there was > in my life, both given and received and
> the wish to start a change had been > implemented.
> > When the energy filled the heart chakra,
> it was felt as the physical manifestation of > love, not sexual attraction or erotic
> love, but love as a vibration and an > energy in itself, god manifested as love
> and loving, caring and healing energy. > The love was interpreted as unconditonal
> acceptance, compassion and support. >
> The in this life never experienced > degree of unselfish and divine love
> created a bliss that lasted several months > and carried the ego over the rough seas of
> the confusion of awakening and the shock of > knowing the past deeply and intimately.
> > The love felt deeply disturbing and painful
> the first few weeks, like when you rip off > an old bandage that has fastened to your skin.
> The worst was being alone with the questions > and the turmoil.
> Nothing of this life was encountered, only > old stuff, sometimes going centuries
> back. Silly old traumas, nothing of the > romantic popular book past life memories.
> Who would have listened to them without > seeing insanity and recommend hospitalization ?
> > Old boils had been punctured and took
> time to heal. But the energy was healing. > Everything of importance the ego thought it
> lacked was provided by the energy and > without it during the difficult "start",
> who knows what may have happened ? >
> The energy changed into a different kind of > bliss, from bliss-of-love to bliss of-love-being
> -presence later on, but for the awakening itself, it was very > important.
> > The awakening was caused by a vacuum having to
> be filled, a lack to be fed. > Kundalini was the water rushing in to
> fill this hole. >
> This is the reason I have always been thankful > and happy for the activation, no matter the weird stuff that
> happened afterwards. > Kundalini changed a lot that needed to be
> changed in my life. >
> Best regards, >
> Amanda. >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:55:33 0000
> From: "winter mute" > Subject: Cold K
> >
> > On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 03:45:50 Fran Frankfort wrote:
> > >I am getting cold icy energy.
> >The last few days it has been > >alternating with hot but its kinda got me spooked.....any insight
> would be > >appreciated.
> > Hi Fran,
> > My guess (and that's only a partially
> educated guess, mind you ;) ) is that the > overly
> cold feeling is caused by energy going up > the cooling channel instead of the middle
> = susumna channel, which is the best > situation.
> > It sounds like you've been having energy
> going up the heating channel as well as the > cooling channel, and that
> the energy is now alternating b/n the two, > sometimes making you feel too hot and sometimes
> making you feel too cold. >
> Could there be blockages in the throat or the > heart chakra or adjacent areas ?
> > My experience is that if there is a block
> in one chakra, felt as too little energy > going through it or spinning too slowly
> (as some folks like to put it), > the energy can't go through this area of the
> channel, and hence has to find another way > up. It is the often forced into one of
> the side channels, causing excess warmth or cold > in the physical body.
> > Feelings of gentle warmth sort of rubbing the
> flesh or a cooling breeze wafting around the > head and face wouldn't be too much of a worry,
> this just means the energy is meeting some > resistance in the physical body and working
> on it, or that new energy is coming in. >
> But if it's something more intense > than that, it may be something you would want
> to try and find the cause of. >
> Best of luck on resolving this. >
> Trying to alleviate the cold feelings with > blankets and a hot drink sounds like a good
> idea. Take care of yourself while this > is going on ! :)
> > Best regards,
> > Amanda.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------ >
> >
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FDA SEEKS TO DESTROY ALTERNATIVE HEALTH WEB SITES
By William Faloon
The FDA's history is one of incompetence, fraud, deceit and the
continuous striving for more power. Over the past 25 years, the Food and Drug Administration has sought to gain authoritarian control that Congress
never intended it to have. In every attempt to seize this kind of power, the FDA has been beaten back by a swell of public protest.
The FDA has just launched a disinformation campaign to deceive
Congress into believing that the agency needs to "protect" the public from health information on the Internet. The FDA is seeking ten million tax
dollars a year to attack alternative health and pharmacy web sites. If the FDA convinces Congress to give it the power and money to do this, American
consumers will be denied access to innovative therapies, and will be forced to pay a good deal more for the nutrient and drug therapies the FDA
allows them to buy over the Internet.
One of the FDA's proposals is to be able to fine Internet pharmacies $500,000 every time they dispense a drug without a prescription
authorized by the agency. With this kind of excessive fining power, the FDA will be able to bankrupt any online pharmacy it targets. To make it
easy for them to shut down large numbers of web sites, the FDA wants the power to issue subpoenas without first obtaining a court order, a
totalitarian tactic the American public revolted against when the agency proposed it in 1990. Finally, the FDA says it wants to set up "a rapid
response team" to identify, investigate, and prosecute web sites. In other words, the FDA is seeking to establish an army of cyberspace
storm-troopers to enable it to shut down large numbers of web sites quickly.
The alleged purpose of these new powers is to "target and
punish those who engage in illegal drug sales over the Internet." This may sound reasonable to the average person, but as members of The Life
Extension Foundation well know, the FDA's history is one of ineptitude and corruption that has caused millions of Americans to suffer and die
needlessly. In 1994, the FDA Museum was established to document FDA malfeasance, and show that the agency hasn't the scientific legitimacy to
be allowed to police the healthcare of the American people.
A flagrant example of FDA deception can be found in their current attempt to control the Internet. The FDA has identified one person who
died after obtaining Viagra from a Web pharmacy without a prescription. The FDA is using this one death as an example of why the FDA needs to
impose dictatorial power over all health Web sites. One problem with this position is that, as of November 1998, at least 130 Americans died from
taking Viagra legally prescribed by their doctors. (The total number of Viagra-related deaths for 1999 has not yet been calculated.) The FDA
approved Viagra as being safe, even though many Americans have died when the drug has been legally prescribed. The FDA failed to detect this lethal
side effect of Viagra, yet it is now seeking gestapo-like power to attack any Internet health company it wishes to, without due process. It's time
for the public to speak up again to let Congress know that this kind of FDA tyranny will not be tolerated by tax payers.
Why Internet Regulation is Doomed to Fail
The powers the FDA is seeking are unconstitutional, and the
agency has neither the competence nor the integrity to police the Internet, but even if it did, it would be impractical for the agency to do
so. There are currently an estimated 8,000 health sites on the Internet. If Congress gives the FDA $10 million a year, the best the agency could do
is shut down a couple of hundred sites a year. Within a few years, the FDA would create a litigation monster whose appetite would far exceed their
$10 million annual budget. The FDA would be bogged down in a quagmire of judicial proceedings, while thousands of new health Web sites would be
springing up that the agency would be at an utter loss to control. The end result of the FDA's war against the free flow of information on the
Internet would be tens of millions of tax dollars wasted, with less so-called consumer "protection" than exists today.
The FDA Already Has The Legal Power It Needs
The charade the FDA is parading before Congress is that they
need more money and stricter laws to regulate e-commerce. The facts are that the FDA already has the regulatory structure to "protect" the
consumer on the Internet. Much of what the FDA wants is already covered by existing Federal and State law, but the agency is seeking to add another
bureaucratic layer of law and money to suppress the dissemination of health information.
An Alternative Proposal
The FDA has its own Web site (www.fda.gov) For a fraction of the
cost of becoming the health police of the Internet police, the agency could post its own evaluation of alternative health Web sites that it
thought were promoting fraudulent or dangerous products. Americans would then be free to make their own decisions about whether to believe what the
FDA says about health web sites.
However, the FDA has no interest in trying to persuade Americans with evidence. It wants (and has always wanted) authoritarian powers and
as much money as possible from Congress because it is a political organization rather than a scientific one. As a result, FDA suppression
of information has been, historically, the leading cause of death in the United States, while adverse reactions to FDA approved drugs is currently
the 4th-to-6th leading cause of death. Clearly, the FDA lacks the constitutional authority, the competence, the integrity or the scientific
credibility to be given additional power and money to police the Internet.
A History of Victories Over the FDA
The Federal Courts, Congress and the public have dealt the FDA
severe losses over the past 25 years.
The first citizens' victory occurred in the 1970's when the FDA tried to turn vitamin supplements into prescription drugs. An uproar from
the public resulted in Congress unanimously rejecting FDA's brazen arguments that vitamins are so "dangerous" that they should only be
prescribed by doctors. This blatant power grab came at a time when the vast majority of doctors had little or no knowledge of the health benefits
of vitamins.
In 1990, the FDA tried to have a law passed that would have enabled the agency to make summary seizures of products from companies,
and institute wire taps without a court warrant. The public again defended the Bill of Rights by inundating Congress with so much mail that the FDA's
proposed law was abandoned.
In 1993, the FDA stated that it wanted to classify all amino acids and many minerals as prescription drugs. The public expressed such a
high degree of outrage over the FDA's draconian proposition, that Congress passed the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (in 1994) that
significantly limited the FDA's authority to regulate dietary supplements.
Since 1994, the FDA has circumvented the will of the people and Congress by seeking to censor what the public is allowed to hear about
supplements and drugs. The FDA has been defeated repeatedly in the counts, and has been forced to retreat because of an onslaught of public
opposition to all forms of censorship the agency has proposed.
Orwellian Computer Robots
A nightmare scenario sometimes portrayed in science fiction novels involves a totalitarian government using advanced computers to monitor the
activities of citizens. In these novels, people who don't behave according to government standards are targeted for persecution or summary
elimination.
The Orwellian prophesy is becoming reality as the FDA is proposing to spend a million dollars a year on artificial intelligence computer robots
that would scan the Internet for phrases such as "prevents cancer" and "prescription drug" so the FDA could "swiftly gather the information
needed to prosecute."
The new law the FDA is proposing would mandate that on-line pharmacies first receive FDA-approval to operate. Pharmacies are currently regulated
by the States, but the FDA is seeking to impose a new Federal bureaucratic layer that will greatly increase the cost of purchasing products on the
Internet.
The FDA needs to convince Congress that American citizens should be subjected to Orwellian investigative tactics and that tax payer dollars
should be appropriated to pay for these Web robots to assist the FDA in detecting words it does not want Americans to read.
American citizens who cherish their Constitutional rights against undue
government intrusion should contact their members of Congress and demand that the FDA not be given the money, nor the legal authority to control
the Internet. This is more than just a health freedom issue. The FDA's Orwellian proposals are unprecedented and would create lead to a serious
breakdown of our civil liberties if enacted into law.
Just Tell Congress To Say "No" to The FDA
The FDA is using the free-flowing popularity of the Internet in a ploy to deceive Congress into appropriating ten million tax dollars a year
to fund an unconstitutional witch hunt against free speech. The new powers the FDA is seeking are blatantly un-American and resemble the kinds of
police-state tactics employed by totalitarian regimes such as communist China.
The FDA's latest fabrication will fail if Americans tell their
Congressional representatives to say NO to any new proposal or law that would give the FDA more power or money. Included in this message is a
letter that can be sent to Congress. To obtain the name, e-mail address, voice phone number, and fax number of your member of Congress, check
http://www.house.gov or phone the Congressional switchboard at 1-202-224-3121. AOL users can click here:
http://www.house.gov
We suggest that you also send a copy of this letter to:
The President The White House
Washington, DC 20500
You can E-mail the President at this White House page http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/Mail_President.html
You can access the Foundation's Website at http://www.lef.org to obtain
additional information about the FDA's track record of unlawfully suppressing life saving information. AOL users can click here:
http://www.lef.org
We encourage Foundation members to defend the Constitution against the FDA's latest attempt to gain repressive power over the individual's right
to choose. Please send the following letter (and/or your own letter) to your Congressional representative:
To the Honorable ____________________
Date:____________________ U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
The Fiscal Year 2001 budget to be submitted by the Executive Branch of the government contains a provision whereby the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) is to be appropriated ten million dollars a year to police the Internet. I am vehemently opposed to my tax dollars being used
to fund the FDA for this purpose. I believe that additional FDA power and funding would be used to deprive the American people of valuable health
information and health products.
In the FY 2001 budget proposal, the FDA is asking Congress to pass new law that would give the agency repressive powers that would
restrict the free flow of information on the Internet. I ask that you vote against any proposed law that gives the FDA more control over what I am
allowed to read and put into my body. Some of the unconstitutional authority the FDA is seeking includes:
1) Issuing subpoenas without a court order. Giving the FDA
this new power is unconstitutional, and would will create a litigation monster whose annual appetite would rapidly exceed the ten million dollars
a year the agency is seeking.
2) Fining Internet pharmacies $500,000.00 every time they sell a drug that does not meet the FDA's definition of a legal
prescription. This type of excessive fine would enable the FDA to bankrupt any online pharmacy it decides to target in a capricious and arbitrary
manner.
3) Setting up "a rapid response team" to identify, investigate, and prosecute Web sites, i.e., the FDA is seeking to
establish an army of storm-troopers to summarily shut down any web site it chooses.
Please do not be misled by the FDA's attempts to convince you
that they are trying to protect the health of the American people by regulating the Internet. According to the April 15, 1998 issue of the
Journal of the American Medical Association, adverse reactions to legally prescribed FDA-approved drugs are the fourth-to-sixth leading cause of
death in the United States. Since this article was published almost two years ago, the FDA has done nothing to reduce the number of Americans
dying from dangerous drugs, yet the FDA now seeks ten million tax dollars a year to attack health and pharmacy Web sites.
If the FDA convinces Congress to grant it more power and money to
attack health web sites, American consumers will be denied access to innovative therapies and pay a lot more for their prescription drugs. I
therefore ask that you write to me with your position on this issue so I will know how to cast my ballot when you up for election.
Sincerely,
Name___________
Street___________
City_______________________ST_______Zip_________
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Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:00:31 PST
From: "Marion Hanvey" Subject: Re hands and feet and fu;nny sensations
Julie wrote that the computer affected her hands and feet. I had a terrible time with the computer when I first started using it. The
actual computer is all stacked up in front of me, in line with my body. (I mean all the bits and pieces) and the computer bit itself was right in line
with my 3rd chakra. (I've forgotten the English term for it-brain dead). Just below the rib-cage anyway.
Anyway the point is the computer used to literally suck the energy out of my body. I'm not exagerating, it was awful. I became scared of it. I used to
switch it on, stand at the back and to the side and just poke one finger quick, over at the keyboard, to get the messages out, then get out. It made
me so tired I was exhausted all the time, and it seemed to sensitise me to other electro-magnetic fields as well, like the T.V. I was convinced I had
M.E. I even went to the doctor for a blood test, (came back normal) and I never go to the doctor if I can help it. Anyway I re-arranged the computer
parts so the actual computer itself is now on the floor. (Also got some super-duper vitamins which are supposed to wipe out any fatigue and rested a
lot) and I feel all right now, touch wood. I can feel the energy from the computer tickling against my feet and the lower half of my legs, but I can
cope with that. On a different note, I'm not not quoting bits and pieses out of other posts
like you people all do out of rudeness, I just can't do it the computer won't obey, I've tried. This is an ancient computer, I'll have to get a new
hard-drive. Love
Loulou ______________________
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:59:46 GMT From: "Howard Breckon"
Subject: Karins Query
Karin,
YES. It's good to see someone on the right track!
Howard
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:00:41 GMT
From: "Howard Breckon" Subject: Fran's cold areas
Fran,
I have had no experience of reiki. There is no need to feel spooked. It is a common phenomenon due to the energy leaving the cold areas. I do not use
visualizations but if they are benificial use them. In my own case the cold used to dissapear of its own accord.
Howard
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:01:09 GMT From: "Howard Breckon"
Subject: Re: [K-list] Fwd: PLEASE HELP]
Yanuar,
Only you can answer that question.
Howard
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