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Recieved: 1999/11/27 10:22
Subject: [K-list] Tribe ? Was: Joking ?
From: winter mute
On 1999/11/27 10:22, winter mute posted thus to the K-list:
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:51:15 blackswan wrote:
>The frequency of the tribe ends up playing
>major roles in working through "karma."
>From some traditions, it looks as if
a lot of karma is connected with the
group(s) a person belongs to in the form of
culture, habits and the type of information
the conscious mind receives.
>You did not play by their rules.
If one looks closely at the personality,
one can see that the tribe and its rules in
some ways are empty.
No one mind have the same interpretation
of the same seemingly external facts
and no one mind can be in agreement of
absolutely everything, even the most
immersed of lovers.
But seen from another side, the tribe is
a definite value, only one maybe not
depending on its external values but
that in its similarities, the similar
reactions are unifying...
>(a) broke away form their pack, (b) goes through all the shit of the pain of not belonging and
>transmutes that from bitterness into gratitude by personally receiving grace, (c) can now choose
>what they are and are not apart of -- you get to say for yourself. That is incredibly freeing
>(and confronting!).
May that be seen as a ceasement of the
attachments of always having to be right and
having the winning arguments / attitudes ?
>healing/growth/development. There IS NOTHING to fix for nothing is
>broken in the other person, nowhere to get to in order to be OK with life, no agendas, no
>issues, no larger or smaller in partnership. Just life and freedom and gratitude and creativity
>and play!
I wish I was at where you are now.
In a way I am.... ;) Or in no way...
just the light of consciousness that is
invariable independent of tribe.
>How many
>times am I more demanding / impatient with someone over the phone than face to face? There is
>less respect and the tendency to see someone simply as an OBJECT rather than a person is
>greater. We can also "object-ify" people more easily through the distance of email.
For French feninist philosopher
Simone De Beauvoir, this objectification
of others and the subjectification of self
was central to her work and theories
on the self in relation to others.
Very intersting.
I wonder if the old ideas of Patanjali
and other Hindu writings also
point at the ceaselessness of this
working process of the mind...
Tried to reach you by personal e-mail
Black Swan, but only got a bounce back.
Did you know, I was one almost attacked
by a papa swan. He had 3 young and a wife to
defend and I was sitting at the shore of
his lake.
Hissing he scared me away
from the shore and after that
I heard that one should getting into
fights with swans as the swan will surely
come away "the winner". ;)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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