To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/27 03:15
Subject: Re: [K-list] carnivores/vegetarian
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 1999/11/27 03:15, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 01:40 AM 11/26/99 , Erwin Kuipers wrote:
>
> Hello K-list,
>
> First time responding. Thanks for being here. I enjoy reading the messages.
> I would like to say to the vegetarians:
> There's no need to argue about eating meat or not . When K moves up more
meat
> eaters will become vegetarian. Just give them time and space to do the
things
> they need to do.
>
> Just don't fight/argue. Choose for peace
If you want peace, I suggest you stop getting "holier than thou" about
your being a vegetarian.. as before mentioned, carnivores don't make good
dartboards. We bite. Herbivores make better dartboards, that is how "bull
fighting" was invented.
There are plenty of gentle peaceable NORTHERN native civilizations that are
not vegan because obviously an Eskimo Vegan will starve, in Winter, which is
80% of the year.
Suggesting being vegetarian is a sign of spiritual superiority is a
spiritual
predjudice that is contrary to the list guidelines.
The Feathered Serpent and the Rainbow Serpent danced for the Mayans who ate
each other's hearts raw, and for the Australian Abu who eats a Wallaby and
mourns for the green ants. It danced for the Norsemen as the Midgard Serpent
and it danced for the Celtic Witches of the Goddess Bridgit, in Ireland where
there are not and have never been any other kind of "snakes". It dances for
the
Kahunas, who eat pigs roasted in the Earth whole as a sacred ritual.
The difference between these religions and Hinduism is that these
traditions
were mostly passed on by word of mouth. Not written. Life in a cold country
does not allow one the luxury of sitting on yer ass for 7 years under a tree,
writing poetry, but that does not mean Goddess is not there shaping light.
Who are you, to judge yourself superior to all of these paths, simply
because you have the economic luxury of being a vegetarian?
If you eat meat without blessing it, the animal's spirit will bite you for
your ingratitude. Vegans are too busy making judgments about the wheel (life
eats life) to be able to bless meat properly..they are too obsessed about not
stepping on ants... too busy measuring thier own "enlightenment" by thier
resistance to nature's way... like the downhill slide El described getting
into. Reflections of her own judgments.
A cat does not suffer angst about eating a mouse, that is what Goddess
designed it to do. The symbols of K. are cobras and Tigers.. they are both top
predators in the food chain.
The gorgeous cave paintings in France tell of our ancestors, who went into
the dark and with the creativity of Art, honored and worshipped the spirits of
the animals whose meat their survival depended on, and asked the animals to
show themselves to the hunters... to sacrifice themselves for human survival.
Every meat eating culture, from Mohawk to Judaism, has rituals of thanksgiving
for the life of the animal it eats. Many meat eating cultures, that also do
agriculture like the Celts and the Haida, also bless and ask forgiveness of
the
plants they eat... even the trees they cut down. They ask permission of the
stream, before they drink from it.. They see it all as a manifestation of
Goddess, "all my relations", and Goddess created a food chain loop of life
eats
life..
>
> Been there, done that.. and when I go to the zoo and see the lovely
> fat birds and hooved creatures, I want to eat them. When I feed the
geese in
> the park, I tell them all about how I want to pounce on them and wring their
> slender necks and roast them over a slow fire and I compliment them
warmly on
> how delicious I think thry would be.
I admire thier beauty, give them love and I see them as Goddess manifest,
living creatures, but I still want to eat them. They don't seem to notice,
they
are happy to take the snacks I offer.
>
> That's my nature. I'm allergic to wheat, rice, beans, soy, corn, and many
> other products of agriculture.
> Life eats life, that's how it is.
>
> A vegan that drives a car, uses electricity, buys packaged rice and
> bananas from a country with no pesticide laws, reads newspapers and wears
> synthetic clothes is causing species extinction and painful death to animals
> just as surely as my buying steak at the supermarket, except they are not
> honoring the animal they have killed by blessing and eating it's carcass. I
> don't see vegans looking that stuff in the eye. Much easier to judge the
> omnivores and point fingers.
>
> The thing is, the Vedic prohibition against eating beef, as with most
> cultural food prohibitions had it's roots in economics, not religion. The
> Aryans who invaded the Indus Valley were horsemen, and meat eaters. As the
> population increased, and the population of cows decreased, the value of a
> cow for it's dung and ability to pull a plow, began to outweigh it's
value as
> food.
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