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Recieved: 1999/11/22 12:14
Subject: Re: [K-list] If There Is A God...
From: Martin Thompson
On 1999/11/22 12:14, Martin Thompson posted thus to the K-list:
12:49:18 Mon, 22 Nov 1999
at PokimontazATnospamaol.com writes:
>Hitler manipulated darwins theories for his own benefit. And any scholar
>will tell you that hitler's use of darwinism is not correct.
I would think just about everyone intelligent knows that by now, anyway.
He twisted a lot of people's views to suit himself; notably Darwin and
Nietzsche.
> darwin says
>natural selection and last time i checked natural was not placing thousands
>of people into trains like cattle and transproting them to certain death yet
>telling them they were going to working camps.
Depends upon how you define "natural." I define it to include everything
in the Universe. You appear to regard humanity and human behaviour as
unnatural. Hence the difference of emphasis in our approaches, perhaps.
Humans take animal behaviour to extremes, as we are able to calculate
possibilities and make our actions more efficient, but animals have been
observed murdering other members of their own species (chimpanzees),
committing genocide (ants), and raping (chimpanzees, dolphins, ducks). I
don't doubt those behaviours could be observed in numerous species. So
what is natural and what is not? I just feel it would be better if
people didn't behave like that, but they do.
[x]
>The extermination
>of a people because they hold a different spiritual belief system is STUPID.
Of course it is.
><<<<Hitler is not akin to any type of God. God's give and he took away.
>Gods
>>make death a necessity only so that others may prosper, Hitler made death a
>>necessity so that HE may prosper. Hitler was greedy in his attempt to take
>>over the world.
>
>Here, you point out a very important difference between Hitler and God.
>But, what about the example set by God?>>>>>>
>
>What exaple was set by God in hitler's genocide?
I think you've answered that yourself, where you say below, "Death is
inevitable of course." But, for instance, God is said to have ordered
the Jews to exterminate the people of the promised land, Palestine (see
the Bible or the Tanakh). But going beyond what some ancient and self-
contradictory books say, when we look at the world God is supposed to
have created, we see suffering and death all around us, with creatures
killing each other, even without human intervention. What's more, this
system of life would, as you have pointed out, break down disastrously
if the death and suffering were removed from the system. That doesn't
look like setting a "good" example to me.
> God created a world in whch
>its inhabitants are dependent on each other for perfect survival. Death is
>inevitable of course and we must deal with that but, hitler showed hatred
>which he used for motivation for murder. When did god set THAT example? God
>doesnt want people killing in his name, thats just a tad bit hypocritical
>dont ya think?
Yes, I do think it is hypocritical. But show me a God-based holy book
that doesn't have God or the Gods asking someone to kill other people.
(I don't suppose the Buddhist Dhammapada does, but they don't believe in
any Gods as such anyway. I'm not sure about the Analects of Confucius,
but again, God/s are not relevant to that book.)
> Do yourself a favor and read any academic ardicle on hitler and mein kamf,
>read the cliff notes version of mein kamf, and after you do tell me that his
>thoughts are rational.
I have made no such claim. I said *he rationalized* his thoughts, i.e.,
he created spurious explanations to back up his plans.
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