To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/21 22:31
Subject: Re: [K-list] Gurus&Sex Juice vs PRINCIPLE of Ecstatic Communion
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/11/21 22:31, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Martin
I wrote at some point referring to drops of liquid dripping from the bottom
of the third ventricle
>>Snot it's not.
>>
>>The nasal cavities are not involved.
>>You know it when you taste it.
>>You just know it. Isn't that always the case? :-) :-)
>>
Martin wrote:
>Well, it's all pretty peculiar.
Do you think it is cool and fair for you to comment the way you do? It
alludes to a basic mistrust and disbelief that you might have in ppl. that
have experiences other than you have. Something like a pre-puber not
believing that orgasm is possible because they have not had it.... etc.
dadada dadada.
Anyway you are cool with me, and I have withstood greater mistrusts. Also I
realize that your attitude is an acquired attitude as all attitudes are.
Your are not your attitude.
Your are not your 'at ye chewed, harr harr....So no offence taken.
I want to add something though, the reason I write about my 'peculiar'
Kundalini experiences so openly, (by the way, this issue is something that,
according to the old secrecy vows, one is not allowed to talk about, lest
one opens oneself to ridicule, excommunication, or "we may not want to share
this with other fellow beings that are not initiated" kind of blah,) the
reason why I write about this is to prepare novo-kundalites of what K
manifestations to expect, so that they may not fall off their rocker when
the graces(?) happen. There is quite a bit of fear, pain (and possible
suffocation) involved when these symptoms(?) manifest. Some list members,
off late, are talking about mudras that affect the tongue, the lips...
There is a mudra, kechari mudra, which involves that the soft palate draws
in almost spasmically, the tongue goes up and it attempts to reach up into
the space (kasha) above the palate where it will look for the ceiling of the
nasal cavity to find the spot that will eventually open up as the orifice
through which the nectar drops come down. In my case I suffocated, and
through the graces of my wife I came back to life, had an immensely intense
near death experience, had to be rescued by 3 distinct energetic energies
whom I now recognize as Gabriel, Michael and Rafael (peculiar eh?:-) In the
old literature, yogis recount and (stupidly? enough) advise to do the most
peculiar things to actually force this mudra, we do not have to. We can help
each other in different ways. Does the Kechari mudra have to happen the way
I described it? No, I have one client who guided herself so wonderfully
through this and allowed me to witness this, and her state of glory and
bliss is irreversible thanks to understanding the physical process behind
this.
>If there's a phenomenon there, then eventually someone will get around
>to investigating it if they haven't already.
Exactly, I am one of those...
Thank you :-)
>no doubt there is something going on, but I
>wouldn't expect ancient religions or religious leaders to know tuppence
>about biology.
And there you may be quite surprised, our scientific method leads only to a
description of the world that we understand, 500 years from now they (who?)
will say that we (who?) did not know two bits about fribilistic anomasity
(uhh?)
Love, Wim
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