To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/21 12:05
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sex Juice
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/11/21 12:05, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Amanda,
All with due respect and love, Amanda... you know that.
What we get from and read in usual science (text)books is what is described
already and approved by consensus and the body politic. Usually the lowest
common denominator gets (and gives) the fiat etc etc.etc..
Existing science should never be used to stop new or old 'uneasy'
viewpoints to be taken seriously. Always give it another chance. It is like
going into the Amazon forest to find unexpected treasures.
About original yogic literature: read some of those old Sanskrit texts. I
went through what I went through, and there was no way of denying those
experiences. Reading science books and talking to experts, doctors,
psychiatrists, psychologists (which I did a lot), lots of friends in the
field, never corroborated what I went through. Discovering and deciphering
those old Sanskrit texts made me realize, "Hey I am not alone" and "This is
what we were from the beginning. "
BTW, I never lost respect for and from my science and docter friends.
Reality is very convincing they found
As always, in love, Wim
--Original Message-----
From: winter mute <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
To: kundaliniATnospamlist-server.net <kundaliniATnospamlist-server.net>
Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:09 AM
Subject: [K-list] Sex Juice
>
>Those of you easily offended by discussions of
>reproductive fluids and the more intimate aspects
>of human physiology best delete now.
>You have been warned.
>;))
>
>On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:18:26 Wim Borsboom wrote:
>
>>This thing is very complex and we should not put this into the category of
>>sexual deviations or aberrations, there is a long hidden (subconsciously
>>transmitted) history on this since primordial times.
>
>Yes, the use (or saving) of male reproductive
>secretions occurs in many religions / spiritual
>movements.
>
>From a biological / medical point of view,
>it is an oddity, as the energy that goes into
>making new sperm cells = male sex cells
>is not greater than the energy it takes to
>renew the millions of cells that are lost everyday
>from other places of the body, in great numbers,
>including the lining of the gastorintestinal canal,
>the skin, the blood and the immune system.
>
>The process of making a new cell does not differ
>greatly from cell to cell, it all requires a certain
>amount of energy and building materials.
>And all cells, no matter the type, are recycled after
>a certain amount of time to ensure the "freshness"
>of cells.
>
>Thus, the suspicion that the "saving up on the
>ojas" is more correlated to energy depletion
>in the non-physical bodies than in the strictly physical,
>is for my part quite great.
>
>>At some point during the *male* K process (don't know how this functions
in
>>women, I have inquired previously to the list
>
>you will, after this
>
>>semen does not produce sperm anymore and the semen turns into a glandular
>>secretion.
>
>I'm confused by this.
>
>"Semen" is usually defined as sperm cells plus
>other secretions.
>These other secretions are mostly salt water to keep
>the cells alive, some sugar solution to supply
>the cells with energy, a dash of hormones
>( to keep them happy ? ;) )
>and some unknown secretion, probably some kind of lubrication or other
supply material.
>
>However, it may not be unusual for male
>K-ites to stop producing sperm cells and hence
>only produce these secretions.
>
>>The epididymi separated from my testicles into two sweet
>>organelle like blobs.
>
>The epididymi are small glands in males
>sitting on "top" of each
>gonad and are encased in the same sheath of
>fibrous matter and skin as the gonads,
>together wtih the tubes going from the
>gonads to the epididymi and the penis are what make up
>the "testicles".
>
>>One way or another, (Dan Winter spotted the same process, he refers to it
in
>>one of his webpages) this glandular secretion goes up into the spine
through
>>a tiny orifice and gland, propelled by reverse pelvic rocking.
>
>There is, as far as I'm aware of, no orifices or glands
>other than the prostrate (a gland) in this area of the
>body being situated close to the spinal cord.
>
>I have never heard of any way that secretions from
>the male reproductive organs can reach the cerebrospinal flud = csf.
>
>The csf is barred from direct contact with blood and
>other fluids in the body by effective cellural barriers
>and ion channels, regulating the type and amount
>of ion molecules that pass into or out of the csf.
>
>The csf is made by a lining of cells surrounding the
>brain and spinal cord and the csf is drained in the deep areas of the
spinal cord / brain stem.
>
>>This additional glandular supply increases the
>>cerebro-spinal-fluid inside the cerebro-spinal-canal inside the spine, the
>>meninges and the five paired ventricles that are dispersed throughout the
>>brain, from 125 cc to a possible 250 cc.
>
>I would very much like to see some medical evidence
>for this.
>
>Deviations in the normal volume of csf creates over-
>pressure of the brain and spinal cord and is
>very dangerous. It is the cause of hydrocephaly in
>children and death in injured adults.
>
>>Much of this is actually minutely
>>documented, although very poorly translated, in original Sanskrit yogic
>>literature. The Hatha Yoga Pradipika is very clear on this. Just find a
>>translation that is complete, it does not matter if it is bad, one can
>>easily read between the lines.
>
>Sanskrit yogic literaure may well mention something
>along those lines, but the ancients did not
>possess knowledge
>of either the csf, the foramens, the standard
>csf volume and the ion transport into and out of the
>csf.
>Thus, I very much doubt this the Sanskrit
>commentaries can be used as a documentation for this
>"process".
>
>>When the amount of CSF (cerebro-spinal fluid) gets over a certain
threshold
>>some of it drips from the third paired ventricle down on top of the soft
>>palate and/or on the back of the tongue. The sensation of the pressure
>>release and the dripping is extremely sweet. >'nectar', 'soma',
'ambrosia', 'amrita', elixir, 'love >potion' etc.
>
>I have experienced the same kind of flavoring of the saliva at the back of
the palate
>and my interpretation of it is that this is not
>a "glandular secretion" coming from the cfs
>(which is impossible) or any kind of
>secretion, but rather a result of changed electrical
>signaling in the cells in and around the soft
>palate and salivary glands.
>
>Back to the reasons for withholding orgasms in males
>and females.
>
>Chinese Qi Gong sources (even modern ones)
>advocate a withholding and "upward drawing" of the
>semen and male reproductive juices.
>
>The same is also mentioned for females
>(In tantric literature too), where the female
>"reproductive juices" is often mentioned as
>menstruation fluids.
>
>Now, menses fluids contain dead cells and blood,
>which it is important are led out of the body
>(hence the cramps and the bleeding).
>It is a cleansing process in itself to ready the
>uterine lining for a new round of cell release and
>possible pregnancy.
>
>Hence, it would rather be very important for females
>to bleed a little and cleanse the uterus
>of this waste.
>In fact, is waste tissue is for some reason brought up
>through the uterus and ovarial canals
>(which are open to the outside)
>and outside into the abdominal
>cavity, the tissue may fasten in abnormal places
>such as the ovaries, GI canal and lining of abd.
>cavity, causing monthly cramps and bleeding in these
>places each month. This is a problem for some females
>today.
>
>However, my personal experience with orgasmic
>physical release is that there is a definite
>release of energy not necessarily belonging to the
>physical body alone (it is a long while since
>orgasms were only physical) and may cause overcharge
>in the lower chakras.
>
>It may be helpful for some ppl to avoid this energy
>release partly or altogether to avoid strong
>kriyas or overcharge in the lower chakras / nadis.
>
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>Best regards,
>
>Amanda.
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