To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/19 12:26
Subject: Re: [K-list] Tales from the beginning of the process.
From: Fredaann

I found these odd statements,and had to re-read what was being said.
maybe I am just wierd

> > a list member wrote:
> > >
> > > A "true" religion
> > > must be valid for a genius, a mystic, disabled, depressed, and chronic
> > > schizophrenics. Our bliss should not cover that fact.
>

I find these people the easiest to love.
My exposure to them was in church-related activities in my youth anyway,
back then most 'social oddities' were rarely seen in public,
we locked them away rather neatly until they gained legal freedom in the
mid 70's,
 before that the only place you could find them in numbers was at
church...
 being taken care of by church-going families, and often aided by the
church.
It used to be the church was the 1st place people went.

> Jenell wrote =
> > First, to this part, ABSOLUTELY! And it is where for me the traditional
> > Christianity I've been exposed to, utterly and completely fails it.
> > People with 'problems' are excluded.

good heavens, what has happened in my absense?
I havnet hung out with anyone in a number of years, and quit religion
hunting
before that but I dont recall intollerance to these things in any
religion
I ever investigated. Granted, all of them were pretty intollerant to
'ideas or ideals' that didnt fit their mold,
 but I dont recall intollerance to mental illness, anymore so than
anywhere else.
I have been accused of major blind spots in my perceptions
I have a tendency to see what I want to see - so maybe I am all wrong...
but I do remember it was in church that
 I was expossed to and felt comfortable with people who stuck out,
were different. Special.

Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>When he arrived
> there the priest had gathered all the disabled, depressed, and chronic
> schizophrenics, lame, sick, blind etc. saying , here is the wealth !
> I realized long ago that *religion* boils down to how one acts in the
> world daily when encountering and interacting with the "wealth" of the
> world.

 this is so Little House-ish. Yet another story of how some big hearted
someone
found something of worth in these lowly people,
as if there were some kind of redeeming quality about doing so.
I personally have a much harder time loving the people who this story
did not count
... the healthy and the prosperous are by far harder to love, for me
anyway...

of corse I see the mirror looking back at me
- the healthy and prosperous freda is harder of me to love -
It took coming back to 'some' of the lessons I had learned from religion
in order to love even that freda - sometimes.

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