To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/17 08:05
Subject: Re: [K-list] Shaktipat & christian terrorism
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/11/17 08:05, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, kim fisher wrote:
> It is very interesting to read your comments on
> something that you have never experienced nor know
> nothing about. I seem to see a closed area of mind
> here.
I admit I'm not a specialist here. I *have* read a book about Toronto
blessing, called "Breath of fresh air". That doesn't qualify me to say,
anything, I know.
> To attack a spiritual plane can reap one with a karma
> that one "may not" be able to understand, in other
> words to put this quote on a carnal level of
> understanding: you reap what you sow.
In my view there is no such view as attacking a spiritual plane. And BTW,
I don't think I deserve this kind of flame - "You shall suffer for the
unredeemable horrors you have done". It's not a very compassionate thing
to say, do you agree? I have no free will, so in case universe chooses to
"punish" "me", then it's up to it. My words are a manifestation of divine
will, so the universe can go ahead and punish itself. That's just what it
does, I have nothing to say about that.
> Next question, what creature on the cloud do you speak
> of?. I would like to have you answer this one.
God, as conceived by children and some adults (to some extent, anyway).
> When one receives the spirit this "relationship" is
> between that person and the "Creator". No one has a
> right to judge that for then "Judgement shall be
> passed on to that person". Could any of us really
> handle that?.
I'm not the one judging anything or anybody.
> Why seek out something in an area just to use in a
> trival conversation or to joke about. There are ones
Sorry about that. Perhaps you should subscribe to the edited version of
the list, then? I have seen several posts containing some sort of humour,
so I assumed it would be ok. For me it's ok if you choose to make jokes
about buddishm, zen and what-have-you. They are not vulnerable to that
sort of thing. Is God (YHVH) vulnerable?
> My battle is with the mind-set of man, not with man,
> when one can look beyond the flesh of another and
> truely see their spirit if lost or not, that is when
> one can descern.
Judge not etc. Nobody has "lost" their spirit (except perhaps in your
viewpoint), and claiming that kind of thing is spiritual terrorism. Well,
perhaps it's ok in christian circles, but I don't like that kind of thing.
Consciously I know it's rubbish, but it doesn't make me feel comfortable
either. I'm still a human being (sort of).
> Posting something on a religion should really be
> re-read by the poster before hitting the send button
> for it not makes anyone whom reads look lost, it is
> the lost sender.
Ok, I look like I'm "lost", then. So what? Should I live along the
expectations of other people instead of my own?
> Experiences on a spiritual plane are not given to the
> ones whom can not clean out their minds, that would be
Bzzz. Wrong. Experiences on spiritual plane are given to those for whom
they are given.
> like sending a child out into the street and say play
> here, bad experiences come from being afraid to allow
In my view there is no conscious/ego lump anywhere who makes decisions.
You shouldn't extrapolate your christian assumptions to reality at large.
> spiritual plane (that never works). Until you can
> release you gain nothing, you can stay in an (ego)
> state. You go no where, same track round and round you
> find yourself in the next 10 years on the same level
> with the same questions trying to figure out why
> others are not there with you anymore, they have
> allowed to expand their spiritual mind set.
Well, I gotta rush to catch up other people, is that what you are saying?
> For the ones whom seem to care more about the type-o's
> then the message, well I guess you just missed the
> whole thing.
The message being that I suck?
Boy, I haven't been flamed like this since the kundalini-sex thread. I'm
not feeling like continuing a flame war, but I'm expecting some sort of
reply/clarification.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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