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Recieved: 1999/11/17 02:25
Subject: Re: [K-list] Shaktipat?
From: Maureen Heffernan
On 1999/11/17 02:25, Maureen Heffernan posted thus to the K-list:
Villie wrote:
> > The experience of shaktipat can lead to awakening of kundalini in
> > suspectible individuals, just like various mind-control techniques.
> >
> > Xians are "shielded" against shaktipat-induced kundalini through some
> > neurochemical mechanism,
~~*+M~*
Hello Villie,,,, Excuse me but WHAT??? How?
which is why they only experience the rush, after
> > which their experience terminates naturally.
~~*+M~*
Please help me to understand how you think this?
Jenell wrote => No. There are many christians awakening, though it often
means their
> leaving that religion, or at least tradition forms of it.
~~*+M~*
Hello Jenell,
As a pastor and reiki 3 , and in my experience,I very much agree with
this. Many have had to re-think and re-word the whole perception of it.
Because of this many have found much more depth as they have, *come
alive*.
Have you read
> 'Kundalini energy and christian spirituality', by Philip St. Romain? And
> in reading the works of Christian mystics, it is pretty evident they
> were k awakened.
>
> Hence the Toronto-blessing
> > and pentecostalism. I have read some reports, and none of them indicates
> > that k had awakened through their experiences.
>
> I don't know, I've no contact with those people. But if any DO awaken it
> might seem likely they quietly leave that religious form, as noted
> above. Also most reports from within those religious circles themsleves
> don't even know what k is and wouldn't admit it as that, anyway. I HAVE
> heard some of the results, effects, are 'life transforming', that sounds
> suspiciously like k might be involved in some cases to me.
~~*+M~*
I agree that it is definitely involved.I also have seen that there is
just a lot of mass emotional junk floating in the air for any hyped up
persons to grab onto. Words are vital in communicating. The Master,(each
in every age) chooses words in the construct and culture that they are
in. To some, I don't even say the *K* word, using Holy Spirit instead.
Those truly enlivened and awakening,I take my time with,observing their
broadening of their *religious* or spiritual horizons. Ineveitably,as
they become more open we get around to using the k word. Change takes
time and integrating those changes into a previous belief system, by
chucking the first or going back to it on a higher octave of
understanding takes even more time.
Of course,
> the promoters are only going to talk about that consistent with the
> beleif system involved. BTW, I am christian, and quite fully awakened.
~~*+M~*
I am a xtian and like to believe I am also.
> Though can no longer at all relate myself to traditional christianity.
~~*+M~*
Yes, we call it, Catholic-Lite.
> >
> > Does this make any sense? I have not experienced anything in the
> > shaktipat-family of experiences, but am interested in it anyway (nice
> > topic to discuss with xians).
~~*+M~*
It is fascinating and most fullfilling and also interesting to read
about the hands of John Carl and the transference of
spirit/prana,Jenell. I once had a problem(amongst many) with the heat of
the hands. One boy told me that he felt that if I had kept my hands on
his head a second longer his hair would have lit on fire. Scared me more
than it did him ! But I have learned.
> Just change the words. Call it 'Holy Ghost'. Some of them will eagerly
> chatter right along with you about k related expereinces!
~~*+M~*
Another option that works is to explain that they are a Temple of the
Holy Spirit. Their system is getting up to speed to accommodate it
because IT is not an outsider but lives, moves and resides within. It is
ONE with the person, as with others, as with other labeled religions.
One can absolutely see if the experience has been a mass hysteria
grabbing and fading phenomena by ones unwillingness to be open.Those who
really got it,are completely changed.
As to the
> energy of the Goddess, christinaity has done a real job of burying the
> fact that 'Skekinah', the name in ancient Judaism for the Holy spirit,
> as it appeared as cloud or mist over the mercy seat of their ark of the
> covenent,
~~*+M~*
Well , now I have to go digging because I always believed She is the
Wisdom Light in the Judaic tradition.
is a FEMININE form word, the Holy Spirit was considered
> feminine in that culture.
~~*+M~*
And still is in the Independent Catholic realms.
> The difficulty I have with pentacostalism isn't their spiritual
> practices, it's their judgemental, exclusionary dogmas, a lot of
> outright superstitious nonsense among many of them.
> Jenell
~~*+M~*
Once again, I am nodding and enjoying the posts of this discussion.
Thank you,
Namaste~
+ Maureen
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