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Recieved: 1999/11/16 18:28
Subject: Re: [K-list] Shaktipat?
From: Jenell
On 1999/11/16 18:28, Jenell posted thus to the K-list:
Ville Vainio wrote:
>
>
> Hmm... here is my model for shaktipat (Ville moving to his
> not-so-pompous-but-tediously-systematic form of presentation):
>
> Shaktipat is an experience in the family of spiritual experiences, lasting
> less that 24 hours.
>
then many of these would 'fit' that. But the 'secondary' effects, I
guess you would call them, just the erson's having exerieinced it,
itself, seems to have profound effects, especially in their belief
systems as toward spiritual energies, for example. They can never again
be where they were before it happened.
> The experience of shaktipat can lead to awakening of kundalini in
> suspectible individuals, just like various mind-control techniques.
>
> Xians are "shielded" against shaktipat-induced kundalini through some
> neurochemical mechanism, which is why they only experience the rush, after
> which their experience terminates naturally.
No. There are many chrsitians awakening, though it often means their
leaving that religion, or at least tradition forms of it. Have you read
'Kundalini energy and christian spirituality', by Philip St. Romain? And
in reading the works of Christian mystics, it is pretty evident they
were k awakened.
Hence the Toronto-blessing
> and pentecostalism. I have read some reports, and none of them indicates
> that k had awakened through their experiences.
I don't know, I've no contact with those people. But if any DO awaken it
might seem likely they quietly leave that religious form, as noted
above. Also most reports from within those religious circles themsleves
don't even know what k is and wouldn't admit it as that, anyway. I HAVE
heard some of the results, effects, are 'life transforming', that sounds
suspiciously like k might be involved in some cases to me. Of course,
the promoters are only going to talk about that consistent with the
beleif system involved. BTW, I am christian, and quite fully awakened.
Though can no longer at all relate myself to traditional christianity.
>
> Does this make any sense? I have not experienced anything in the
> shaktipat-family of experiences, but am interested in it anyway (nice
> topic to discuss with xians).
Just change the words. Call it 'Holy Ghost'. Some of them will eagerly
chatter right along with you about k related expereinces! As to the
energy of the Goddess, christinaity has done a real job of burying the
fact that 'Skekinah', the name in ancient Judaism for the Holy spirit,
as it appeared as cloud or mist over the mercy seat of their ark of the
covenent, is a FEMININE form word, the Holy Spirit was considered
feminine in that culture.
>
> > > - Were the recipients "spiritual" people?
> >
> > I'd say yes, though not all really are 'into' any thought of being
> > particluarly so. But yes, most are what I'd feel are spiritually
> > oritented people, and somewhat open with their minds and emotions, in
> > touch with themselves.
>
> Spiritual people in touch with themselves? Isn't that an oxymoron? (joke)
>
Maybe we are using words differently. Spiritual people ARE those really
in touch with themselves.
> Going specific about this pentecostal/shaktipat-experience might be
> interesting to wider audience, especially the large group of xians who
> hang out at places where they "receive" the Spirit (40%-alc. vol). Letting
> them know that what they experience is not from some creature on the cloud
> might help them search for explanations... spirituality should be
> trans-intellectual, not anti-intellectual.
>
I'm considering it. The above mentioned book, by Philip St romain, is
publshed by a major Christian press, sold out of print fast, is the only
contemporay work i know making that connection. In it, he ties k to both
ancient mystics such as St John of the Cross, and modern pentacostalism.
The difficulty I have with pentacostalism isn't their spiritual
practices, it's their judgemental, exclusionary dogmas, a lot of
outright superstitious nonsense among many of them.
Jenell
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