To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/16 11:41
Subject: Re: [K-list] deities
From: Steve Salter
On 1999/11/16 11:41, Steve Salter posted thus to the K-list:
SmilingjaguarATnospamaol.com (Kimberly) wrote:
> > Just curious, how do you know there IS a unifying intelligence?
>
> The shamanically inclined have proof of their own. Personal experience, and
> with some of us, spirit teachers.
>
Personal, subjective "proof" is not admissable as evidence in the court of the
Cosmos but thanks for playing!
I could say I have "proof" that reincarnation exist because I have verified waking
dreams/visions of past lives through research and also experienced definitive
sensations of authenticity but I would not dream of trying to convince someone of
this. It is MY experience and thus, subjective.
> Finally, what does it matter?
>
> Knowing the truth of the universe matters nothing?
>
What is the truth of the universe?
>
> I cannot prove anything to YOU. That is very different from internal proof.
>
My point precisely! Thanks for the validation. Internal proof is totally valid to
the one who has experienced it.
>
> So is your non-faith and insistence that their is only you and me. Closing
> alot of doors there with one swoop....something I'm sure has pretty powerful
> effects.
>
Oopsie! You interpreted my words "ME" and "YOU" as meaning individuals. I was not
clear enough, sorry. We are individuals but we are also One, are we not? I can't
prove that but it feels good so I go with it. I don't close doors, I just don't
choose to dwell in a lot of the empty rooms some doors lead to.
>
> What, we're gonna start a tiny mailing list? I guess it depends on whether
> it annoys the others.
>
That is what I was trying to avoid but no one has complained yet so by all means,
let us continue! In fact, it has generated a lot of traffic and I expect "v" to
yell at me any moment for this fact.
hehe, just kidding "v".
> Actually, what I believe is dependent upon personal experience only. Bits
>
Those are the only beliefs to place faith in, I would agree.
>
> Some religions, yes. But I find my natural averson to the trappings and
> fierce independence mentally and spiritually to be great assets. All the
> systems are but ways to express divinity. Once you see that, you start
> finding some pretty interesting things.
>
Gee, you sound like me, how come we are arguing?
;)
>
> I focus on the me and the you, but I've got friends to fall back on. Just a
> thought. It's a Me and You concept taken to the ultimate level...between
> divinity and humanit.
So, is there a division between "divinity" and "humanity"...is there really?
P'raps reaching a point of realizing completely that a division does not need to
be drawn is what it takes to "ascend"?
Just a thought and maybe not a great thought at that, but its mine and that is
enough for me at the moment.
-Steve.
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