To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/16 11:19
Subject: Re: [K-list] deities
From: Smilingjaguar
On 1999/11/16 11:19, Smilingjaguar posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 11/16/99 5:46:55 AM Central Standard Time,
ssalterATnospamtisbook.com writes:
> Just curious, how do you know there IS a unifying intelligence?
The shamanically inclined have proof of their own. Personal experience, and
with some of us, spirit teachers.
How do you
> know we
> do not exist in chaos?
Read above. Physical humanity does exist in chaos, but of their own choosing.
Finally, what does it matter?
Knowing the truth of the universe matters nothing?
> Just curious to see what sort of verbal constructions appear. However,
> Jenell, you
> realize that you cannot "prove" anything
I cannot prove anything to YOU. That is very different from internal proof.
but must accept it on faith alone
I accept on experience. If you can't show me, too bad. But I take evidence
from the spiritual realms as well. Perhaps our difference.
> which is
> a powerful mental construct.
So is your non-faith and insistence that their is only you and me. Closing
alot of doors there with one swoop....something I'm sure has pretty powerful
effects.
P'raps this could be taken to email rather than
> the
> mailing list since we are wandering slightly from K.
What, we're gonna start a tiny mailing list? I guess it depends on whether
it annoys the others.
> If you need to believe in something specific, that is great. I think
> archetypes,
> theologic linquistics and religion in general are quite useful for some
> people.
Actually, what I believe is dependent upon personal experience only. Bits
and pieces of two or three Native traditions that have literally come alive
before my eyes, the calling of my ancestors and their
entities/archetypes....and the Celtic and Norse ancestors and archetypes for
good measure. I'm infamously hard to convince. :) Ask my spirit teacher the
hell he went through with me...lol...and still goes through to an extent.
> However, it seems that it is so easy to get wrapped up in religious
> trappings
> (mental, emotional or physical trappings) and lose sight of spirituality.
Some religions, yes. But I find my natural averson to the trappings and
fierce independence mentally and spiritually to be great assets. All the
systems are but ways to express divinity. Once you see that, you start
finding some pretty interesting things.
> Thus, for me, I find it best to discard the frills and frivolty and focus
on
> the Me
> and the You.
I focus on the me and the you, but I've got friends to fall back on. Just a
thought. It's a Me and You concept taken to the ultimate level...between
divinity and humanit.
Kimberly
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