To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/11/15 06:00
Subject: Re: Humility (was Re: [K-list] Shaktipat?
From: Adele Chatelain
On 1999/11/15 06:00, Adele Chatelain posted thus to the K-list:
Hi!
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say
that "Buddhism is famous for having lots of tables and
lists"....but it's an interesting comment.
The only 'lists and tables' that I have seen have
been valuable to me because it's taking an extremely
complex topic (Maps of the Mind) and making them
understandable.
The lists are there as guidelines. But then you
might be referring to something else that I haven't come
across in my 30 year training.
That quote about Crowley and killing the dog: well,
as you know, in Buddhism one is supposed to work past
the disturbance (one wouldn't kill one's next door neighbors
because they were making noise---although one would like
to!:-))
I remember teaching meditation and it seemed like just as
soon as the class started to really get into the
meditation---
that was the time the jack-hammers outside the window (to
widen
the road) began! It was kind of funny. But it was also
an opportunity for us all to go beyond the noise.
Adele
Ville Vainio wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Adele Chatelain wrote:
>
> > I think of St. Teresa of Avila who once said, 'when you
> > see visions of Jesus or hear His voice...it's time to wash
> > the floors!"
>
> > There are many such quotes in Buddhism, too.
>
> My favourite:
>
> "When you see Buddha on the road, kill him."
>
> And as for killing, another funny quote (probably meant to get rid of
> various preconceptions about mysticism), this time by Crowley:
>
> "If barking of a dog is disturbing your meditation, kill the dog and
> resume your meditation" (Book 4).
>
> As far as Gurus are concerned, anyone can call themselves gurus if they
> feel like it. Strictly speaking, guru means "teacher", but I could as well
> call myself a chiropractitioner (not an official professional title) even
> though if had never *seen* a human back. When a spiritual system becomes a
> religion and starts to officially divide people to various levels of
> attainment/enlightenment, it might as well call it quits since it has
> strayed away from the dharma. Buddhism is famous for having lots of tables
> and lists, but I see it's because they were easier to memorize (when paper
> was scarce/unexistent)... and none of it is "official". Zen has also
> fouled up pretty badly in creating a system where people are "authorized"
> to mediate Zen.
>
> Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
> We're all puppets
> The first step on the path to understanding is seeing the strings
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