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Recieved: 1999/11/13 18:02
Subject: Re: [K-list] Shaktipat?
From: joel


On 1999/11/13 18:02, joel posted thus to the K-list:

sorry, i meant it the other way also, i meant that if you can give someone or
something special or spiritual powers, that that doesn't make you a guru
immediately, but that's merely my own opinion (more like a guess), but..
*thinks what he wanted to say* i'd definately say that you have a special
something, a special gift.. But a guru is definately more than someone who can do
something special, perhaps he's an experienced teacher also..

Just saying what i think, don't blame me if i'm wrong :)

Greets,
- Joel

Jenell wrote:

> Okay, Joel, I think you missed the point I was asking about. Not that I
> myself feel 'connected' during meditation, but in that state, I am able
> to convey to OTHERS, mostly by touch, but also sometimes them just being
> in close proximity to me, something of a deep spiritual/energy
> 'experience', which has effect on THEM. Even those that are unable to
> attain to such a state through their own meidtations at that point, or
> people that don't even meditate at all. And I don't ean something they
> think by 'suggestion' of an idea, for often, Ive said nothing to them of
> it before I touch them, and it can range from a deep euphoric state that
> lasts a few minutes, to something that plain knocks them to the floor
> where they lie there, unable to move, in such a euphric, blissful state
> for a few minutes. The classic Pentacostal 'slain in the spirit' thing.
> And the feel, afterward, as if they have had a 'burden lifted',
> something at issue within them resolved, negative emotions released.
>
> Now, second part. I have read of this called 'shaktipat'. Is this what
> this is?
>
> Third part. In what I read, it indicated that ONLY one that has attained
> themself to the state of 'guru' has this ability.
>
> Jenell
>
> joel wrote:
> >
> > > And if so, does that make me in some sense, a 'guru'? Not in some level
> > > of knowing teachings related to that, but in actual spritual attainment
> > > of that?
> >
> > No one could say for sure i think, since we don't know you in person,
> > But i can say what i think. i think that if someone or something can give
> > you
> > some power (or energy) that it doesn't make you a guru, i think and suppose
> > that a guru is a complete teacher, and not just be able to do (this) one
> > thing...
> > And i can also say that i feel 'connected' too when i meditate.

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