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Recieved: 1999/11/01 05:17
Subject: Re: Meditative trance (was Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/11/01 05:17, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, kim fisher wrote:
> Ville,
>
> reading this I sense a lot of back and forth here what
> you seem to have wrote is that you are not too sure
> where you go. Correct me if I am wrong.
You are not absolutely wrong. I was not sure whether I should engage in
"deeper" meditation (would it be safe, would it screw up my studies etc.)
since I tend to think meditation is not necessary when k is active enough.
> What I seem to have read from you is a from of wanting
> to "control" in which causes a hinderance in the state
> that you are trying to achive.
Perhaps I have not phrased myself too clearly. I believe in total
submission, surrender, non-grasping. The only think I want control in is
my sanity. Meditation is control, but it's control to push beyond control,
so to speak.
> In which you add your own limitations thus brings the
> so called fear in which adds to the hallucinations.
>
> This is a part of trying to "control" what you are
> trying to achive.
>
> It does not work that way.
Again, I don't really even think in terms of control (I don't believe in
free will).
> Every meditation: ie. trance is scared understand this
> is a connection to the source.
I don't think anything is sacred, but I understand you will disagree (you
were christian, right?). [Equivalent truth: everything is sacred]
> Where do you think your "K" awakening comes from?.
Brain.
> Your statement re: spiritual hallucinations tends to
> let me understand one thing, you need more wisdom in
> this area.
>
> For what may seem to be a hallucination to one is
> another level achieved to another "spiritually".
I think those who like to bloat their spiritual ego by gaining "levels"
should really reconsider their view on life, universe & everything. It's
true that with increased awareness, there may also be more hallucinations
(considering that the brain is operating on a more non-standard state) but
the hallucinations should not be mystified/whatever.
I get the most intense hallucinations when I wake up early and then go
back to sleep (like on sunday, I woke up to watch Formula 1 - Hakkinen
wins the world championship, yahoo - went back to sleep, was not really
easy, experienced total anesthesia of limbs and strong tingling, roaring
sensations in the spine). I don't give *any* value to these
hallucinations, as I understand it's just some stuff I get as a by-product
of my k.
> For we all know that "K" is nothing to play around
> with thus when you "try" to hinder anything on a
> spiritual level that you are not of a "knowing state".
> You will have major physical problems that you deal
> with.
Trying to hinder? I never said anything about trying to hinder anything,
instead I believe we really should not play with it (too much) and thus we
should not try to *aggressively* direct or raise kundalini.
> GOD, gave us no fear: understand this will allow you
> to achive one small step toward wisdom in which will
I´m afraid this means nothing to me (I don't believe in god that gives us
anything).
> open a door to understanding allowing no hindering of
> the state in which you maybe seeking to help in the
> understanding of a partial part of what has been
> awakened in your from of "K".
Er... my parsing engine has some problems chewing that sentence, but I
really don't see that I have some problem of this sort that I should deal
with.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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