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Recieved: 1999/11/01 04:23
Subject: Time (was Re: [K-list] RE: fate, destiny, subtle body and soul
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/11/01 04:23, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Martin Thompson wrote:
> 14:02:26 Sun, 24 Oct 1999
> at PokimontazATnospamaol.com writes: > >You can't feasibly argue that the
> past did not >occur....for if there were no past there would not be
> the present...if there >were no present I couldnt be here arguing if
> there is a present or not. =0)
> The theory of time in physics is more like: it all exists
> simultaneously, but the future may well be able to influence the past
> and therefore the present as well as the present influencing the future
> (and maybe the past too). Time, at best, is a way of looking at this
Deterministic model: Every moment dictates the configuration of the
subsequent moment. Therefore, if event A leads to event B, event B happens
IF AND ONLY IF event A has happened (when we experience event, or more
correctly, state B, we know for sure that event A was before that).
Therefore, everything between beginning and end of time is "known" by a
hypothetic omniscient entity (or possibly a person in Samadhi). So, the
future indeed influences the past (taking that "influence" really means
anything), but since there is no free will there is not much to be gained
from this. We, as people, are only "sampling" the universe (everything) a
moment ("now") at a time, but the everything is still out there.
> totality, at worst, a complete illusion as one random but probabilistic
> configuration of particles replaces another in no particular sequence
> (how that can happen without time, I don't know).
This interpretation seems worse because it is simply wrong.
Non-determinism sucks.
> Maybe. Ambition is fun, anyway.
No, it's not. It's an itch we can keep on scratching forever. And it's not
too easy to totally get rid of it, either.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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