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Recieved: 1999/10/22 11:44
Subject: Re: Meditative trance (was Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to
From: Adele Chatelain
On 1999/10/22 11:44, Adele Chatelain posted thus to the K-list:
tsk! tsk! now, now. No one is 'beyond holding
apples in front of my eyes". It can be called
by another name: self-discipline.
However, I find it fascinating that there are so
many wonderful viewpoints and I don't therefore
feel at all that we 'should change the subject'.
Why? It's not really exhausted yet. If you
don't want to participate, Kim, though, you really
don't have to, you know!
After all, there IS a direct link between concentration
and the discipline of training oneself concentration...and
Kundalini. Without being able to concentrate (on an apple,
in the beginning training sessions), it makes it almost
impossible to guide the Kundalini upward through the
chakras.
That's why so many people experience such awful side
effects; they don't know how...or can't...direct the energy.
And that really opens up an aside to the conversation of
meditative trance.
See? There are many things connected with trance and it's
good to remain open minded to all possibilities....then
choose
what is 'right' for oneself, according to one's personality
and
belief system, without negating anyone elses beliefs (which
isn't
really very useful and just chases people away).
Hugs,
Adele
kim fisher wrote:
>
> Adele,
>
> Yes you are so very correct on your very last point,
> this is the only part I agree with:
>
> I am very much so a christian (surprise).
>
> I am beyond holding apples in front of my eyes.
>
> Now I must say that we "should" change the topic here
> we can take this one on and on but I have said my
> point and you have stated yours which shows that paths
> are different.
>
> I must say we can "agree" with that right?.
>
> you have a blessed day,
>
> Kim (aka) Allahundra
>
> please don't let the name fool you.
>
> --- Adele Chatelain <chatelaaATnospamwharton.upenn.edu>
> wrote:
> > Hi Kim,
> > You asked how long one can meditate on 'the
> > moment'.
> > Well,
> > as long as you are alive. When one begins to learn
> > how to
> > meditate the first thing that is taught is HOW to
> > concentrate...
> > because one cannot meditate without being able to
> > concentrate.
> > And if one thinks concentration is simple, try this
> > simple
> > test: Hold an apple in front of your eyes. Now
> > close your
> > eyes and then try to hold--concentrate--on the
> > 'image' of
> > the
> > apple, in your minds eye, without breaking that
> > concentration,
> > for two, that is TWO minutes. Probably you can't.
> > The idea is that we humans are usually thinking
> > (dreaming, actually)
> > about the past or the future. But we are never HERE
> > right
> > NOW.
> > Which is really the only thing we can be somewhat
> > certain
> > of.
> > It's this searching for the future and dwelling on
> > the past
> > that brings so much unhappiness and confusion.
> > When one learns how to be in the Present Moment,
> > at all
> > times,
> > one finds heaven on earth.
> > The slab of concrete you walk on, for example,
> > no longer
> > is
> > simply a slab of grey. It BECOMES detailed with
> > lovely
> > shapes
> > within the concrete and variations of shades of
> > blues and
> > pinks
> > and no two slabs of concrete are the same.
> > If we train ourselves in this way, NOTHING in
> > life
> > becomes
> > boring or mundane. Every nano-second becomes alive
> > to a
> > very intense degree.
> > Oh and by the way, one can still be a Christian
> > (or
> > whatever)
> > and be a meditator.
> >
> > Hugs,
> > Adele
> >
>
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>
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