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Recieved: 1999/10/22 11:35
Subject: Re: Meditative trance (was Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to
From: kim fisher

 Adele,

Yes you are so very correct on your very last point,
this is the only part I agree with:

I am very much so a christian (surprise).

I am beyond holding apples in front of my eyes.

Now I must say that we "should" change the topic here
we can take this one on and on but I have said my
point and you have stated yours which shows that paths
are different.

I must say we can "agree" with that right?.

you have a blessed day,

Kim (aka) Allahundra

please don't let the name fool you.

--- Adele Chatelain <chatelaaATnospamwharton.upenn.edu>
wrote:
> Hi Kim,
> You asked how long one can meditate on 'the
> moment'.
> Well,
> as long as you are alive. When one begins to learn
> how to
> meditate the first thing that is taught is HOW to
> concentrate...
> because one cannot meditate without being able to
> concentrate.
> And if one thinks concentration is simple, try this
> simple
> test: Hold an apple in front of your eyes. Now
> close your
> eyes and then try to hold--concentrate--on the
> 'image' of
> the
> apple, in your minds eye, without breaking that
> concentration,
> for two, that is TWO minutes. Probably you can't.
> The idea is that we humans are usually thinking
> (dreaming, actually)
> about the past or the future. But we are never HERE
> right
> NOW.
> Which is really the only thing we can be somewhat
> certain
> of.
> It's this searching for the future and dwelling on
> the past
> that brings so much unhappiness and confusion.
> When one learns how to be in the Present Moment,
> at all
> times,
> one finds heaven on earth.
> The slab of concrete you walk on, for example,
> no longer
> is
> simply a slab of grey. It BECOMES detailed with
> lovely
> shapes
> within the concrete and variations of shades of
> blues and
> pinks
> and no two slabs of concrete are the same.
> If we train ourselves in this way, NOTHING in
> life
> becomes
> boring or mundane. Every nano-second becomes alive
> to a
> very intense degree.
> Oh and by the way, one can still be a Christian
> (or
> whatever)
> and be a meditator.
>
> Hugs,
> Adele
>

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