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Recieved: 1999/10/22 11:05
Subject: Re: Meditative trance (was Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to
From: kim fisher
On 1999/10/22 11:05, kim fisher posted thus to the K-list:
Adele,
That is "great" that you agree with him on his level
this is part of the enjoyment of the list. I for one
do not at all, that is my level.
"Here is the same old stale question that was asked
before".
What is the achivement here?, why try to control when
you "move" into a spiritual frame, state, "trance you
it has been stated".
To get a "jolt" of K, as it is stated.
Meditation takes you beyond the "moment". How long
can one med. on the moment?.
I read your point also, but I still donot agree on the
level. But to understand that we will always "see"
things differently for we will all travel the same
paths but not "all" at the same time.
My last comment is this: If we are "suppose to all be
puppets on a string, then we will soon to realize that
we all have "no" control on a spiritual level.
This goes for when we are in a meditative state or a
so called trance state.
Kim (aka) Allahundra
--- Adele Chatelain <chatelaaATnospamwharton.upenn.edu>
wrote:
> My note on 'trance' came back from the List, as
> 'error', so
> I'm not sure if everyone got it or not.
>
> I agree totally with Ville. Trance is something
> that is not
> supposed to happen in meditation and if it does, one
> can
> use various techniques to disengage in the trance.
>
> Meditation is about awareness of the present moment.
> It's
> meaning is to be alert....not in a trance. The same
> thing
> is for mantras. Perhaps because most of us don't
> experience
> a deep peace and/or slowing down of the internal
> processes,
> that when they do occur we mistake them to being a
> 'trance'.
> Trance implies mentally being stunned. THat is the
> opposite
> of meditation.
>
> There is, of course, an altered state, but like I
> mentioned
> above, this altered state is a slowing down of the
> internal
> processes. that's why we fall asleep many times when
> beginning
> to learn how to meditate; our body/mind is not used
> to being
> relaxed except when we are ready to sleep in
> bed...so when
> we relax in meditation, at first, we immediately
> want to
> sleep. Takes a while to work past that.
>
> Meditation is not magical. It's about a process that
> is
> gentle but piercingly alert. The paradox.
>
> Ville, I like the way you always express yourself so
> clearly.
>
> Hugs,
> Adele
>
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