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Recieved: 1999/10/21 13:10
Subject: Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to ineffectiveness
From: alingimp
On 1999/10/21 13:10, alingimp posted thus to the K-list:
>On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, alingimp wrote:
>>> To me it seems that meditation and trance are not the same thing.
Ville wrote:
>Yes, they are not the same thing. Meditation is a *technique* which
>creates a state called trance.
Sorry to disagree, but proper meditation doesn't create a state of trance.
It does create a meditative state, hence the whole process is called, well,
meditation. Meditation is not just a technique, it is a state of mind, like
trance is a state of mind.
>
snip
Ville wrote:
>Meditation (focusing) allows the trance to deepen. If one lets the trance
>take control and "relaxes", enjoying the trance state, you can't go too
>deep but when you go on concentrating (meditating) you go deeper into
>trance.
snip
That's the whole point of meditating: To get deeper and deeper into this
meditative state while keeping your mind focused.
Ville wrote:
>Intuition, plus something I have read. I read that mantras that have not
>been hand-picked by a "guru" of some sort can be dangerous, so it's easy
>to draw the conclusion.
You see, my intuition in the other hand tells me to keep on meditating, even
to go deeper and deeper into this state while using a mantra to keep my mind
from 'drifting off'. I don't believe that a mantra has to be hand picked by
a guru to be effective or that it would be dangerous otherwise, although I
was instructed how to properly pronounce some of the mantras I know and just
by coincidence or not, all the mantras I know and use were all 'given' to me
at some point. So far, I've had only benefits from using a mantra during
meditation and did not encounter any negative effects, maybe because I know
that all I am experiencing during meditation, all the states of bliss or
fear, all the pictures I see in front of my closed eyes are only a
fabrication of my own mind and that the mantra I am reciting is protecting
me. Should I be afraid of myself or what my own mind creates? Well, I don't
think so. I rather find out what my mind is able to produce and then
transcend it to see what's beyond.
Karin
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